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  The King James Bible - The King and his Boyfriend

  by fulltimestudent in

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  in 1604 king james i of england issued an instruction that a new translation of the bible be prepared.

  it was completed in 1611 and the first edition appeared in 1612.. at the front of this bible this notation apppeared:.

  "the holy bible, containing the old testament, and the new: newly translated out of the original tongues: & with the former translations diligently compared and revised, by his majesties special commandment".

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  Another view, still based on narrative theory, is that we all love a good story. It doesn't matter how its presented to us. Today its likely to be a film or TV version. But in times past, they were usually oral stories told by a travelling teller or whoever,

  Stories got passed around, and re-told and incorporated into other stories. See if you can think of another version of this story, which I'm re-telling in bits because i havn't got time to type it all out

  "The Lord of Heaven above impregnated the daughter of the Lord of the Waters below, and a son was miraculously born, But an evil king killed the prince's father ... and the orphaned prince was cast into the wilderness at birth. There, instead of harming him, the wild beasts took care of him. ..."

  That story came from Central Asia. But its possible to find elements of the story from other cultures. We cannot prove that they were borrowed elements or merely reflecting individual hopes and dreams. But if the cultures are in close contact with each other, as say the Israelites, the Egyptians and the Greeks of Asia minor, then we may suspect that borrowing of elements for stories took place.

  The David/Jonathon story for instance seems to reflect elements of a story from the Iliad in Hellenic culture that tells of the 'love' between Achilles and Patroclus

  

  And that is a well-known love story that was likely told and re-told by travelling story tellers as they travelled up and down the eastern coast of the Mediterranean.
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  The King James Bible - The King and his Boyfriend

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in 1604 king james i of england issued an instruction that a new translation of the bible be prepared.

  it was completed in 1611 and the first edition appeared in 1612.. at the front of this bible this notation apppeared:.

  "the holy bible, containing the old testament, and the new: newly translated out of the original tongues: & with the former translations diligently compared and revised, by his majesties special commandment".

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  Vidiot: They were all just following the (Biblical) example of David and Jonathan.

  That's an interesting point, Vidiot. The Jonathon-David love story is an interesting story for those intrigued by the use of literary criticism in reading biblical texts.

  Of course, if someone has a faith based view of the Bible, their minds are immediately shut to any other view than the standard JW view of these texts.

  But if you look at the text from say the perspective presented by narrative theory (the idea that we live our lives in a story that we write according to what we know and hope for) then different possibilities can be seen immediately. For example, 1 Kings 14:24 makes it clear that male to male sexuality was common in Israel:

  There were even male shrine prostitutes in the land; the people engaged in all the detestable practices of the nations the LORD had driven out before the Israelites. NIV

  So our reading of the David-Jonathon love story requires that we acknowledge that they could have understood that it is possible for two men to be in love with each other and have a romantic liaison.

  The story of David and Jonathon predates that in the Biblical record but read 1 Samuel 18:1-4, with this questioning attitude. What are we reading here? Two men promise to love each other as they love themselves. Their very souls are bound together. They start to live in the same place. They exchange personal items (clothing) as gifts. What's being described? If David was a woman, you'd think it was a marriage ceremony, would you not? I leave you to draw your own conclusions:

  1And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul. 2And Saul took him that day, and would let him go no more home to his father’s house. 3Then Jonathan made a covenant with David, because he loved him as his own soul. 4And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his apparel, even to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle. JPS Tanakh version.

  
  To add fuel to the (sexual -haha) fire. According to a near universal protocol that we can find in ancient times, David (the younger) would be the bottom and Jonathon (oldest) the top. Go figure the type and anti-type.
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  The King James Bible - The King and his Boyfriend

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in 1604 king james i of england issued an instruction that a new translation of the bible be prepared.

  it was completed in 1611 and the first edition appeared in 1612.. at the front of this bible this notation apppeared:.

  "the holy bible, containing the old testament, and the new: newly translated out of the original tongues: & with the former translations diligently compared and revised, by his majesties special commandment".

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  This is a diary entry by William Laud, Archbishop of Canterbury (between 1633 and 1645), for August 1625:

  That night in a dream the Duke of Buckingham seemed to me to ascend into my bed, where he carried himself with much love toward me, after such rest wherein wearied men are wont exceedingly to rejoice: and likewise many seemed to me to enter the bed chamber who did see this.

  I presume George Villiers would still be alive in 1625. So the Archbishop must have had the hots for George for quite a while. The interesting part of the Archbishop's dream/vision is that he was apparently undisturbed to be seen by many other people having sex with George.
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  The King James Bible - The King and his Boyfriend

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in 1604 king james i of england issued an instruction that a new translation of the bible be prepared.

  it was completed in 1611 and the first edition appeared in 1612.. at the front of this bible this notation apppeared:.

  "the holy bible, containing the old testament, and the new: newly translated out of the original tongues: & with the former translations diligently compared and revised, by his majesties special commandment".

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  Thnx... Interesting, though I suspect ( after a fast reading) that Catholic - Protestant bickering may be involved. As now, the ultimate insult was to say that the opponents were 'faggots.'
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  The King James Bible - The King and his Boyfriend

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in 1604 king james i of england issued an instruction that a new translation of the bible be prepared.

  it was completed in 1611 and the first edition appeared in 1612.. at the front of this bible this notation apppeared:.

  "the holy bible, containing the old testament, and the new: newly translated out of the original tongues: & with the former translations diligently compared and revised, by his majesties special commandment".

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  cofty: James VI / I was an "interesting" character.

  Yes! But the whole period is curious. I've posted previously of a discovery by a scholar at Oxford Uni, demonstrating that Queen Elizabeth I issued warrants that authorised the kidnapping of young men, (apparently past puberty) to work in the theatres and as male prostitutes.
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  Serena Williams is slightly pregnant

  by usualusername1 in

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  what will happen now?

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  Slightly pregnant, only?

  Not fully pregnant yet? She'd better get her BF back to finish the job.
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  How was it for you when you had to shun someone?

  by Anator in

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  i remember a good friend when i was in and active who was d'fd.

  when he started coming back, for me at that time is was gut-wrenching not to say 'hello' or at the very least encourage him to continue.

  i thought even at this time, does this act of shunning really effective?

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  Embarrassing!
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  The King James Bible - The King and his Boyfriend

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in 1604 king james i of england issued an instruction that a new translation of the bible be prepared.

  it was completed in 1611 and the first edition appeared in 1612.. at the front of this bible this notation apppeared:.

  "the holy bible, containing the old testament, and the new: newly translated out of the original tongues: & with the former translations diligently compared and revised, by his majesties special commandment".

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  And from a letter written by the King in December 1623 to Villiers, we read: My only sweet and dear child, Notwithstanding of your desiring me not to write yesterday, yet had I written in the evening if, at my coming out of the park, such drowsiness had not come upon me as I was forced to sit and sleep in my chair half an hour. And vet I cannot content myself without sending you this present, praying God that I may have a joyful and comfortable meeting with you and that we may make at this Christmas a new marriage ever to be kept hereafter; for, God so love me, as I desire only to live in this world for your sake, and that I had rather live banished in any part of the earth with you than I live a sorrowful widow's life without you. And so God bless you., my sweet child and wife, and grant that ye may ever be a comfort to your dear dad and husband. James R. a letter from James I to the Duke o f Buckingham, December 1623
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  The King James Bible - The King and his Boyfriend

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in 1604 king james i of england issued an instruction that a new translation of the bible be prepared.

  it was completed in 1611 and the first edition appeared in 1612.. at the front of this bible this notation apppeared:.

  "the holy bible, containing the old testament, and the new: newly translated out of the original tongues: & with the former translations diligently compared and revised, by his majesties special commandment".

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  Second part:

  The King’s desires now centred on the young man who had everything to gain from gratifying him, and as Sir Anthony Weldon recorded in the gossipy memoirs that he left to posterity, ‘in his passion of love to his new favourite ... the King was more impatient than any woman to enjoy her love.’

  Where the details of private relationships are concerned, nothing, of course, can be known for certain. but Buckingham himself provides the evidence that at Farnham he at last gave in to the King's importunity; writing to James many years later to thank him for a particularly enjoyable visit to Court he told him how he had spent the return journey pondering the question, ‘whether you loved me now ... better than at the time which I shall never forget at Farnham, where the bed's head could not be found between the master and his dog'. Bv giving himself to James, Buckingham confirmed his supremacy for what he had to offer was a combination of qualities which the King could find nowhere else - youth., beauty, high spirits, sensuality, sweetness of character, and devotion … .

  The King was never ashamed about giving public expression to his love for his favourite. On the day after his creation as marquis, Buckingham held a great feast in the Cockpit at Whitehall for the King, the Prince and the leading members of the Court. The food was rich and abundant, and the wine plentiful. James was in a warm good humour, and halfway through supper rose from his place, took the Prince by the hand, and walking to the table where the other guests were seated, publicly toasted Buckingham. 'My lords,' he told them, `I drink to you all and I know we are all welcome to my George. And he that doth not pledge it with all his heart, I would the Devil had him for my part.' Having delivered himself of this resounding declaration he returned to his seat.
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  The King James Bible - The King and his Boyfriend

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in 1604 king james i of england issued an instruction that a new translation of the bible be prepared.

  it was completed in 1611 and the first edition appeared in 1612.. at the front of this bible this notation apppeared:.

  "the holy bible, containing the old testament, and the new: newly translated out of the original tongues: & with the former translations diligently compared and revised, by his majesties special commandment".

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  First part:

  [George Villiers. Duke of] Buckingham made a very favourable impression upon everyone he met, for his attractive appearance and ease of manner were combined with a genuine humility (as though he was awed by his own good fortune) and a desire to please. A portrait of Buckingham., painted in 1616, shows a tall, slender young man, delicate-featured, with long tapering fingers and finely shaped legs. This impression is confirmed by the account of the antiquarian Simonds D’Ewes, who watched Buckingham talking to a group of French lords in 1621, and found ‘everything in him full of delicacy and handsome features: yea, his hands and face seemed to me especially effeminate and curious'. Another eye-witness, Bishop Goodman, described Buckingham as ‘the handsomest-bodied man of England: his limbs so well compacted and his conversation so pleasing and of so sweet a disposition' …

  Somerset [the royal favourite, Robert Carr, Earl of Somerset] was still behaving in a manner calculated to anger rather than conciliate the King. Driven by suspicions, many of which were justified, Carr sought constant reassurance as he struggled to break the hold of Villiers upon the King's heart. But James, whose love for his old favourite was now clearly fading, insisted that Somerset must acknowledge his faults and return to a more respectful manner of behaviour. As far as James was concerned the situation was quite clear. He would not abandon Villiers, and if Somerset wished to retain his influence he must accept this fact

  ... the King was on his summer progress, visiting one great country house after another. On its return to London the royal procession passed through Hamp­shire, and at the end of August 1615 the King paused for a few days at Farnham Castle. It was there that Buckingham plaved the trump card which ensured his victory over Somerset. The King - who celebrated his forty-ninth birthday in June 1615 - had long been starved of physical affection. His relations with his wife were those of a friend, not a lover, and as for Somerset, one of the faults which the King laid to his charge was, ‘your long creeping back and withdrawing yourself from lying in my chamber., notwithstanding my many hundred times earnestly soliciting you to the contrary.’