ziddina - Good point. I can see how such tactics may have to be used when dealing with an insane situation. I just think it's such a shame, and sometimes I think "has it come to this?" Unfortunately it has come to this. I'm just venting a little.
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Would you pose as an "interested one" and "study" to help free my family?
by Essan in...in return for someone else doing the same with your friends or family?.
this is a hypothetical question to see how many would be interested in something like this and if it could work.
(i created another thread about this but the title and op wasn't clear enough.
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Would you pose as an "interested one" and "study" to help free my family?
by Essan in...in return for someone else doing the same with your friends or family?.
this is a hypothetical question to see how many would be interested in something like this and if it could work.
(i created another thread about this but the title and op wasn't clear enough.
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I'd like to see this get started and see what happens.
Edit: At the same time, I have mixed feelings. The dishonesty of JW's is one thing that makes me ill, and here I am supporting more dishonesty. The whole situation with JW's is so disturbing. People shouldn't have to use stealth just to communicate information. What a shame.
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Would you pose as an "interested one" and "study" to help free my family?
by Essan in...in return for someone else doing the same with your friends or family?.
this is a hypothetical question to see how many would be interested in something like this and if it could work.
(i created another thread about this but the title and op wasn't clear enough.
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I would do it.
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Strategizing against the WTBTS
by Essan incould we be doing more brothers and sisters?
i'm sure i'm not alone in wishing that there was more we could do to hasten the demise of the wtbts and to speed up the exodus of it's members.
and i'm sure i'm not alone in thinking of possible ways to do this.. one which i have been considering lately is to make use of the fact that many who leave the organization actually leave the area, move away, and start a new life.
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Interesting idea. It seems like it could work. Even if JW's became aware of the forum, the worst that would happen is they would wonder if they were being targeted. If the study were skilled enough at not triggering the apostate alarm, maybe some headway could be made.
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Considering Shunning my JW Friend
by InterestedOne ini had a discussion with my jw friend during which i asked her why a rational person should believe the world is run by demons.
in response, she questioned the existence of objective rationality.
she said that we should "agree to disagree.
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serenitynow! - Interesting comment about the dictionary. When I studied with the JW's, I asked my conductor about the WT definition of the word "lie" and how it differs from the dictionary, and he said "that's a problem for Webster and not my problem." Are there any quotes from the WT that actually indicate the dictionary is part of Satan's world, or is this one of those ideas they pick up over time just from being immersed in the JW environment?
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Considering Shunning my JW Friend
by InterestedOne ini had a discussion with my jw friend during which i asked her why a rational person should believe the world is run by demons.
in response, she questioned the existence of objective rationality.
she said that we should "agree to disagree.
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Retrovirus - The fact that she can still feel hurt is what led me to post and ask for comments. I don't want to be a jerk. I don't want to hurt her. I may simply say that I don't know how we can possibly communicate, and so I would like to "part ways" as you phrased it. I think that is a good way to put it.
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Considering Shunning my JW Friend
by InterestedOne ini had a discussion with my jw friend during which i asked her why a rational person should believe the world is run by demons.
in response, she questioned the existence of objective rationality.
she said that we should "agree to disagree.
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In our overall relationship, what happened was that I put the cart before the horse. I started helping her out with her business as a "favor for a friend," thinking we were developing a friendship being fooled by her charming demeanor, not knowing about the JW thing and how she views me and the rest of the world. Now I am involved in her business basically "doing her a favor" for next to nothing. After our last conversation where it became clear that she is speaking another language, and my general study of the JW worldview, I am feeling as though I do not want to consider her a friend. She wants the benefits of a friendship, but turns around and refuses to communicate on any objective basis. Neither of us is equipped to handle the philosophical questions of epistemology, etc., but she conveniently goes by whatever rules make her and her worldview "right." If they fit with logic, then she is right. If they don't fit with logic, she will simply abandon logic. She is right no matter what.
I really thought we were developing a friendship because she has a way of making it seem like she is your friend. However, she will throw in some JW stuff that makes you do a double take. I took the bait responded to some of it and found out what she really thinks. Now, when I think of her or see her, I feel repulsed and nauseated. It's almost like I was inadvertently becoming friends with someone from Westboro Baptist or something. Then I find out what this person thinks of me and the rest of the world and am totally freaked out.
We are in the middle of a project at her business, and since our conversation a few days ago, I just come in and do what I have to do, only speaking to her when necessary, as I imagine JW's would do when they work with someone they are shunning. Once the project reaches a stopping point, I am considering telling her I want nothing more to do with her business or her. Talesin, when you say end a friendship in a "normal" way, would you say my telling her that I want nothing more to do with her would be a "normal" way to end it? I've had friendships sort of fade away, but I've never had occasion to tell someone I want nothing more to do with them. It's quite a radical thing to say, but I feel as though she is working the grey area and manipulating social norms just like she is manipulating language. From what I have learned about JW's, I think this kind of manipulation goes back to their early development with people like Rutherford, and I am thinking I should put a stop to it in my little sphere of influence.
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Considering Shunning my JW Friend
by InterestedOne ini had a discussion with my jw friend during which i asked her why a rational person should believe the world is run by demons.
in response, she questioned the existence of objective rationality.
she said that we should "agree to disagree.
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I had a discussion with my JW friend during which I asked her why a rational person should believe the world is run by demons. In response, she questioned the existence of objective rationality. She said that we should "agree to disagree." She said that she "deduced" that the world must be run by demons. I said, "Really? You deduced that? Can you please provide your deductive reasoning?" She said everyone has their own definition of what "deduce" means. I said, "No. People define things like deductive reasoning, and it is one way we communicate with each other." She said, "I will not let you intimidate me! I will not be forced to think according to your rules!" I think she is out of her mind, and I want nothing more to do with her. Also, she often uses her own definitions of English words, actually Watchtower definitions, but she neglects to tell people what she really means by them and allows people to think she means the usual English definitions. I am finding this behavior repulsive and don't even want to be around a person who does it. Am I overreacting? I don't know how to relate to someone who refuses to communicate in English and abide by logic. As I am realizing that she is speaking a different language, I am thinking even an everyday conversation is impossible with her because she is speaking Watchtower English, and I am not. Any comments? I know JW's shun people, but what do you think about shunning them back because of their maddening communication style?
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WHO SURVIVED...."75"..?
by OUTLAW inwho survived..."1975"...,i`m just curious,how many of us,are there?those of us that lived though this,will know what i mean.
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What the hell is koolaid man talking about?
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What would you say to a friend who claims to have experienced demons?
by InterestedOne inmy jw friend says she experienced demons act on their own behalf even before she became a jw.
she supposedly used to be an atheist, but her experience with demons led her to believe in the "spiritual realm" before she ever encountered jw's.
she says her ex-boyfriend & his friend used to do the ouija board & as a result have a demon following them around.
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cantleave - What do you think the appropriate response is to someone who had the kinds of physical experiences my friend had? I guess you could just call them "unexplained," but what do you do when a person has an experience of a "demon" telling them it will follow them through electricity and then various unexplained electrical phenomena start happening? My friend draws the connection between the demon's promise and the physical phenomena. Then she uses this experience as supporting the possibility that the demon stories in the Bible could also be true.