james-woods - JW's I have spoken with do not like to use the word "prophecy" when describing WT writings. Rather, they describe the WT writers as simply searching the scriptures and sometimes having incorrect understandings about what they thought the scriptures said about the future. The scriptures make the prophecies, and the WT just tries to understand them.
InterestedOne
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Are There ANY Prophecies or Beliefs That The Witnesses Have Right In Your Opinion?
by minimus inregarding prophecy, i see nothing that they've ever been correct on.
from my understanding, they've always had to change the "truth" about the "truth".. scripturally, i can't see the logic of a godhead or a loving father eternally roasting a person who is deemed "bad".. yout thoughts, please?.
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Are There ANY Prophecies or Beliefs That The Witnesses Have Right In Your Opinion?
by minimus inregarding prophecy, i see nothing that they've ever been correct on.
from my understanding, they've always had to change the "truth" about the "truth".. scripturally, i can't see the logic of a godhead or a loving father eternally roasting a person who is deemed "bad".. yout thoughts, please?.
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LOL, no. I just sat in the meetings in attempt to understand what my JW acquaintance was involved with. I couldn't help but pick up on their language and reasoning style. After a year, I couldn't take it anymore. I realized that due to the way they use the English language and their rhetoric, I would most likely not be able to have rational discussions with them.
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Are There ANY Prophecies or Beliefs That The Witnesses Have Right In Your Opinion?
by minimus inregarding prophecy, i see nothing that they've ever been correct on.
from my understanding, they've always had to change the "truth" about the "truth".. scripturally, i can't see the logic of a godhead or a loving father eternally roasting a person who is deemed "bad".. yout thoughts, please?.
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Happy Friday to you too, trebor. Your posts were valuable and clear responses to the JW responses. Thanks for them, even if they were prompted by someone playing a role.
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Are There ANY Prophecies or Beliefs That The Witnesses Have Right In Your Opinion?
by minimus inregarding prophecy, i see nothing that they've ever been correct on.
from my understanding, they've always had to change the "truth" about the "truth".. scripturally, i can't see the logic of a godhead or a loving father eternally roasting a person who is deemed "bad".. yout thoughts, please?.
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trebor - I was just playing :) I'll give it a rest though to avoid clutter. BTW I think Nomad is playing too. It's a humorous exercise in the JW dynamic.
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Are There ANY Prophecies or Beliefs That The Witnesses Have Right In Your Opinion?
by minimus inregarding prophecy, i see nothing that they've ever been correct on.
from my understanding, they've always had to change the "truth" about the "truth".. scripturally, i can't see the logic of a godhead or a loving father eternally roasting a person who is deemed "bad".. yout thoughts, please?.
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Evidently. But are their claims reasonable? What do the facts show?
That's how I should've started my conversation. Thank you brother.
What do the facts show? That Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 BC. 2,520 years later Jesus was placed in his throne by the almighty Jehovah in 1914, can I get an amen?!
In our day, seemingly learned men, educated in the wisdom of this world, may say otherwise. Their goal is to convince you of their view, and they may even do so with religious fervor. They seek to further their own careers in pursuit of fame by sifting the facts. In stark contrast, Jehovah's people are humble, unlettered and ordinary. They allow Jehovah, who knows the beginning from the end, to guide them into all truth. Yes brother, in the name of our now-reigning king, Jesus, whom the facts show was evidently placed on his throne by Jehovah in 1914, Amen.
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Evidence for God...
by tec inlife come from the living, and this is a universe of life.
his teachings are truth.
which is why i weight it against the truth of the teachings (and one other thing that i will get to).
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You have to be able to consider that you are wrong before you overcome confirmation bias.
Excellent point. When I had recently converted to evangelical Christianity, I encountered a more seasoned Christian who was on his way out of it. He said you have to be willing to even lay down the card that is your faith and be willing to consider the possibility that what you have committed to might not be true. I retorted, "no way. I cannot lay down that card." At the time I felt as though such a thing would make me a traitor or disloyal or something. It took me 15 years to realize he was right.
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Are There ANY Prophecies or Beliefs That The Witnesses Have Right In Your Opinion?
by minimus inregarding prophecy, i see nothing that they've ever been correct on.
from my understanding, they've always had to change the "truth" about the "truth".. scripturally, i can't see the logic of a godhead or a loving father eternally roasting a person who is deemed "bad".. yout thoughts, please?.
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responses- without saying anything cogent.
Some would say that might be true.
Evidently. But are their claims reasonable? What do the facts show?
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Are There ANY Prophecies or Beliefs That The Witnesses Have Right In Your Opinion?
by minimus inregarding prophecy, i see nothing that they've ever been correct on.
from my understanding, they've always had to change the "truth" about the "truth".. scripturally, i can't see the logic of a godhead or a loving father eternally roasting a person who is deemed "bad".. yout thoughts, please?.
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James & minimus, I don't think he's serious. I think he's role-playing by saying the things JW's commonly say. I'm finding it humorous because it demonstrates how the JW's create -responses- without saying anything cogent.
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Free Will in Paradise Earth
by FaithfulBrother ini was raised in a witness family but never got baptized.
i have been studying with an extended family member for a while after 20+ years of being away from the kingdom hall.
i asked them about the paradise earth after armageddon and if we will become robots if we survive.
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How is that gonna feel to your surviving family members, when you get killed off
Remember they have defined away that problem. See, if everyone is always happy in Paradise Earth, Jehovah will find a way to make sure they don't feel any sadness from something like a loved-one being killed. Same thing with getting bored. They can define that away too. Jehovah will find a way to make sure the Kingdom Citizens don't get bored. When you define Jehovah to be able to do anything, the Paradise Earth experience can be anything you want to make it.
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Free Will in Paradise Earth
by FaithfulBrother ini was raised in a witness family but never got baptized.
i have been studying with an extended family member for a while after 20+ years of being away from the kingdom hall.
i asked them about the paradise earth after armageddon and if we will become robots if we survive.
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I asked a similar question when I did a JW study. Mine was, "what happens if someone disobeys Jehovah in the Paradise Earth?" The other JW, not the conductor, said "they get zapped!" The conductor didn't correct him, so I assume he agreed.
The logic goes something like this: Right now, Jehovah doesn't zap disobedient people immediately because a long-standing question of who is better-suited to govern humans, themselves or Jehovah, has yet to be fully settled and demonstrated to the angels. He is currently allowing humans to govern themselves and mess everything up. Eventually he will step in and say "enough" and put an end to all the messed-up stuff. In the meantime, he is building a small group of dedicated followers, JW's, who want to live under his rulership as part of his New World Society.
People will be instantly destroyed in the Paradise Earth if they disobey because the question of who is fit to rule will have already been settled. There will be no reason to delay the killing of the disobedient ones at that point.
Why they think there is any reason to believe this story, I have no idea.