They can deny being false prophets if they wish. They, along with countless others, are false teachers. They may likely deny that they "quietly bring in destructive sects" which is likely true because they have already brought them and formed an organization. And this organization denys it's members its owner that can buy them with his blood. They teach wrong things which makes them false teachers and when they say they are God's mouthpiece, they are then false prophets because the things they spoke "in his name" we're not true and did not come to pass.
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Jehovah's Witnesses are NOT false prophets
by SloppyJoe intonight on the service meeting we discussed why jws are not false prophets.
of the ten minute part two were spent discussing that jws just had wrong expectations and only very minor changes over the years although nothing specific was mentioned.
the other eight focused on the core bible truths that have remained the same over the years.
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Are there ever any scriptural reasons why a man would get a separation from his wife?
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220-221 the bibles view on divorce and separation ***.
willful nonsupport.
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If God is love and the woman is saying she listens to a God of love, then the question is: does a woman who has love for her husband and her household withhold her love and support when her husband is unable to fulfill is role? Is it love when a woman refuses to help support the ones she loves?
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so which organization is Jehovah blessing?
by nowwhat? inso it is now widely known that bro russell got most most of his teachings from the adventists but the society says" jehovah blessed the bible students" .
why then are there now 17 million adventists and only 7 million jw's?.
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He's not blessing any organization (as far as we are understanding the word blessing to mean having his approval). He does bless people by exposing them for the wrong things they do, at which point most people hate him and try to punish, expel, or even kill those sent by him who are delivering this unpleasant news. If anyone accepts that they are doing bad things and repents and leaves them, they are drawn to him (not an organization).
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To those of you who responded, you all had most interesting thoughts. I thought about it more and now would like to ask this:
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My apologies to everyone. I tried to post last night but had computer issues. Here is what I wanted to ask Re: What is sin?
Let's say a man decides to drink and then drive. No one is harmed physically as a result of him driving although he was under the influence of alcohol. Did this man sin and if so, at what point was he sinning? Is it still considered a sin although he did not physically harm anyone?
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To those of you who responded, you all had most interesting thoughts. I thought about it more and now would like to ask this:
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What is sin?
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What does it mean to be found faithful?
by kes152 inwhen he said his servants are to be found faithful, what did he mean by that?
whom does he consider faithful servants?.
if you have ever seen the movie willy wonka and the chocolate factory (1971), in that movie there was a man named willy wonka who was seeking a young, honest, loving child to take over his factory.
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Hi Shel,
I thank you for the peace and I also wish it upon you and your household too (smile). I do agree that Charlie had loyalty to Mr. Wonka. I do not, however, believe that Charlie’s loyalty had come from a vacuum. Charlie believed something about Mr. Wonka. His belief resulted in his loyalty to Mr. Wonka and the other things he did while he was in the factory.
I do believe out of all the children, Charlie was honest. The other children were not honest because honesty is not a matter of whether one tells the truth nor is it a matter of not hiding one’s problem (i.e. greed, selfishness, etc.). Honesty refers to showing uprightness, fairness, sincerity, not disposed to cheating, defrauding or deceiving. If one has a problem and they are honest about it, this would mean they intend to change their problem so that it does not get in the way of them doing what is right. This was not the case with the other children. This is why people, even the Adversary, can tell the truth and yet not be considered honest.
The overall point of the matter, as you have mentioned, is that faithfulness cannot be determined only by what one does. The faithfulness that our Lord seeks from us is that which adheres to the things he believes, the things he values (because one can have faith in anything). If we want to be found faithful, our loyalty, our faith, our direction should be to do and practice what he has told us, to love one another even as he has loved us. And in order to do this, we need to keep looking at him as we are dealing with others so that we can be kind, patient, understanding, and wise individuals.
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What does it mean to be found faithful?
by kes152 inwhen he said his servants are to be found faithful, what did he mean by that?
whom does he consider faithful servants?.
if you have ever seen the movie willy wonka and the chocolate factory (1971), in that movie there was a man named willy wonka who was seeking a young, honest, loving child to take over his factory.
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When he said his servants are to be found faithful, what did he mean by that? Whom does he consider faithful servants?
If you have ever seen the movie Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory (1971), in that movie there was a man named Willy Wonka who was seeking a young, honest, loving child to take over his factory. He wanted this because he felt he could no longer run his factory alone and he did not want an adult to do it. He believed an adult would want to run the factory his own way, possibly even make shortcuts in the work in effort to gain more profit. Mr. Wonka cared about his workers, his chocolate, and the many children and people who would enjoy his chocolate. He wanted a child who shared the same values he has, one who would care about the workers, the chocolate, and the overall run of the factory. So he sent out golden tickets for the purpose of inviting children into his factory (who unknowingly were being tested) to see if any of them could be chosen. It was the honest child Charlie, who proved himself faithful, who received the factory. Charlie showed through his honesty that he cared about Mr. Wonka and his factory. He respected Mr. Wonka’s work and repented of his error against Mr. Wonka and the factory when he offered back the candy. These things mattered to Mr. Wonka because this was the kind of child he was looking for. Charlie showed himself to be such a child.
The Lord also seeks the same faithfulness. He desires people who value the same things he values. What does the Lord value? What was the command he gave to his servants before he left? Did he not say, “You must love one another, even as I have loved you; that you love one another?” And does not the Lord himself value love, kindness, mercy, justice, and honesty? So when he said he desires his servants to be found faithful, faithful in what? Would it not be servants who were faithful in the thing he asked of them? Servants who love one another as he has loved them? And because of their having this love, would not such love result (manifest itself) in their being kind, patient, understanding, and wise people? And what happens if a servant is doing some but not all? Could he say he is “faithful” or competent in doing what his Lord asked of him? He cannot, because in order to be found faithful he must do the entirety of what he asked. If he has the love he will be a kind, patient, understanding and wise individual. Is such a thing possible for his servants to do while they are not perfect? Yes, it is. For in order to do it, they need him. They must change who they are and know what he knows in order to become more like him. And when they are “with him”… they are kind, loving, patient, understanding, and wise individuals. If at any time (or any moment) they deviate from him, they will not be kind, loving individuals. This is how people will know his people… by how they act and what their fruits are. If they don’t have these fruits, it can only be because they are not “with him.” And regardless of what they say or how they try to prove they are his, their fruits will speak louder than they can.
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[endif]we never really learned to love.
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We never really learned to love. It is ironic that the witnesses claimed to be the true religion knowing the true God (who is said to be love) and yet, when we were with them we never really learned to be the one thing he is: love. Instead we learned how to give talks, become glorified door-to-door salesmen, despise other people for the things they believed that did not originate from corporate, and reject people who did not and/or would not “swing” our way. The purpose of speaking badly of such people is so that we could continue to hold it in our minds (psychologically) that we are better than they are. Consequently, we could judge ourselves as being righteous, based not on “Jesus’” or “God’s” example, but on our own criteria. As long as they are continuing to sin worse than we are, we are still in the truth.
There was little or no emphasis on how we should love our neighbor. Despite the fact that this is the second greatest commandment (and therefore should be emphasized), emphasis was placed on other things such as “Armageddon is right around the corner,” how many hours are being put in service, how many books/magazines are being placed, how many meetings are being attended, etc. etc. These are the things we learned as witnesses and after finding out that “the truth” is not true, is it at all surprising that ones would turn to atheism, anger, and all kinds of retaliatory acts? Do you think that if love was emphasized in our lives (if not in our childhood, at least in our religion) we would have developed somewhat of a different mindset than what we have now? If we spent our time learning the value of giving someone who is in need our time and friendship, feeding the hungry, helping those who are unfairly treated as outcasts by society, and realizing how important we can be in the life of even a little child, do you think we would be somewhat different people than what we are now? I am sure if we were more loving we would probably not only have more friends, but would also have a certain peace within ourselves that we did not have while in that religion. This is why I think one of the greatest mistakes people and religion often make today is not teaching and emphasizing how to have love and its importance in our daily lives. I believe we don’t know how love can heal us or those around us, or how we out of our own love can come to be able to forgive people for the things they have done. When we were witnesses, we forgave mostly because “[God] told us to” or perhaps because “it says so in the Bible.” We, being scared of what will happen to us if we don’t forgive, forced ourselves to “forgive” people we were still very angry with. If instead we learned that forgiveness comes as a by-product of one’s personal healing, things could have been different for us. We probably would be able to forgive because we love rather than “because we’re told to.” These things I think would really help us because I think the more love we can have, the better things can be for us.
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Confused about god, question for aguest
by JoJo_M ini have been reading around this board for a while but never posted and i have a question.
i noticed that in the midst of all these witness topics that there were a few that talked about this other god and i had a question for the person who seems to be the leader of those believing in this kind of god.
to the leader whom i believe is called aguest i have a question.
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Hi JoJo,
Your post, although meant for AGuest (peace to you, dear sister), really caught my eye and I hope you don't mind my posting on your thread. I want you to know that many of us can understand your pain because at one time or another, we have felt the same type of pain that I know you are feeling now. And many times we do get mad at God because we don't understand why he asks what he asks from us. I want you to know that even though things are hard, keep praying and we will pray for you. There are other people out there who also hurt like we do and sometimes the best thing we can do is let them know we're here for them. I hope you can find some comfort because I know its a hard thing when family and friends are not available for you to turn to.
Hope that helps,
Aaron