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  Preventing a minor child from being baptized if you are their parent

  by RayPublisher in

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  there may be no way legally for me to stop this, but it is a worry since i "woke up" to the truth about the truth a couple years ago.. now my young kids (9 and 11) are heading in that direction at the urging of their mother.

  i am still inside and trying to do a fade (for family/friend reasons) but sometimes i wonder if leaving would be smarter in the long run for them.

  any thoughts or strategies are welcome.. .

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  Ray, do you think the elders would go behind your back if you straight up told them they cannot baptize your children until they are 18? I would definately tell them. I seem to remember a recent experience in the watchtower or yearbook about a young girl waiting to get baptized because her unbelieving father wanted her to get an education first and that was respected by the elders.

  Man, if your wife and the body of elders would do that than I would say it is even more imperative that you speed things up. Every day that the witnesses way of life is "normal" the more damage is being done.

  Good luck

  pbrow
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  Preventing a minor child from being baptized if you are their parent

  by RayPublisher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there may be no way legally for me to stop this, but it is a worry since i "woke up" to the truth about the truth a couple years ago.. now my young kids (9 and 11) are heading in that direction at the urging of their mother.

  i am still inside and trying to do a fade (for family/friend reasons) but sometimes i wonder if leaving would be smarter in the long run for them.

  any thoughts or strategies are welcome.. .

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  Thanks for the insight. I didnt realize my opinion was wrong bro! It is working for me but I am not in the exact same situation. Just throwing my perspective out there. Ray, you dont NEED to put a letter in, but let the kids get involved. Play sports, celebrate birthdays, sleepovers. Your the dad right?? Do you have no power in these areas? If thats the case then there are other issues involved. I wish you the best Ray, get the kids out whatever way you see possible. It seems to me the longer you wait for your "wife to get inline" which may take awhile, your children are being immersed in the JW culture. They are almost dripping wet with it already.

  as a side note, Jwfacts... thank you for everything you have done bro, you are lifesaver. Thank you!

  pbrow
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  Preventing a minor child from being baptized if you are their parent

  by RayPublisher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there may be no way legally for me to stop this, but it is a worry since i "woke up" to the truth about the truth a couple years ago.. now my young kids (9 and 11) are heading in that direction at the urging of their mother.

  i am still inside and trying to do a fade (for family/friend reasons) but sometimes i wonder if leaving would be smarter in the long run for them.

  any thoughts or strategies are welcome.. .

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  Nathan, I dont see how he could be more benificial to them by staying in. Give the kids a chance to be involved in a normal childhood and they will not choose the dubs. A huge weapon in the indoctrination process is sheltering them from the other side of things. SHOW THEM THE OTHER SIDE!! Ray, get out. Have a birthday party with them and maybe a few kids from school. When the dub friends find out and start to move away from hanging with your kids explain this to them!! Tell them that the jw kids are not allowed to play with them because.... you dont agree with everything they do. That is showing your kids what a croc these people stand for. You are the father. You live with them. Take the bull by the horns! Your kids are more important than any other reason or person to "stay in" for. By staying in and pretending for the next 2, 3, 4 or 5 years you are just allowing the mindset to creep in.

  GTFO for your kids!!

  pbrow
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  Preventing a minor child from being baptized if you are their parent

  by RayPublisher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there may be no way legally for me to stop this, but it is a worry since i "woke up" to the truth about the truth a couple years ago.. now my young kids (9 and 11) are heading in that direction at the urging of their mother.

  i am still inside and trying to do a fade (for family/friend reasons) but sometimes i wonder if leaving would be smarter in the long run for them.

  any thoughts or strategies are welcome.. .

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  I take it from the comments that you are still with the mother.

  I think its go time. You need to make a clean open break with the religion. Ask yourself, do you want your kids contemplating this same scenario when they are older? Do you want them to regret being taught a lie for 20 years and then having an epiphany at 20, 30, 40 or even later?? Hell no!! You cant teach your kids to think critically by reading a book and then live a lie. You need to step up for the kids sake. I am not saying its easy, but what is the alternative?? I look back and ask "how did my mom teach me this bs?" They are only kids once, give them the chance to play a sport, be on the debate team or whatever else they are into and just be a normal kid!!

  Fading is living a lie. That is not judgemental . I know some faders and I know why they are doing it. But one of the reasons I woke up is because of the thought of having to explain to my kids some effed up things that do not make sense to me. They will learn above all else by what you DO, not what you say.

  I feel for you bro, not an easy decision for you.

  pbrow
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  Sowing

  by snowbird in

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  The dubs act the way they do because they are all concerned about what they think another person is going to think about what they actually do. That was a huge factor in the "sowing" that I was able to accomplish with a family member. (who is basically now a dub in name only)

  off topic.... The Rosa Parks incident was a setup. She was "chosen" by a civil rights group to be the poor black lady who wouldnt give up her seat on the bus. I think that a younger female was initially "chosen" but she was unmarried (and possibly got pregnant) and it was determined that she would not have fit the profile the group was looking for.

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  How can you spot an über-Witness?

  by dgp in

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  is there anything that would let you know, right away, that you're dealing with someone extremely witness?.

  thanks..

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  what about the dubs who bring their bibles to wedding talks!! That always pissed me off!!

  phoney futher muckers!!

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  Were you ever DF'd? For what and how long?

  by QuestioningEverything in

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  2. experiences

  i was df'd when i was 20 or so for fornication.

  i got reinstated when i was 24. i had a son during that time and i was worried about us if we didn't get back to the fold and 'protection' of the organization.

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  godrulz, I was given the boot for the same thing. I had two seperate meetings for about three hours each. The threw up every red hering they could think of but still could not convince me that god gave two shts about me having a cigar w/ gpa couple times a year. I remember them comparing smoking to cocaine use. One of the ex bethalites asked if my children were to take up smoking would that change my mind. I told him that god would not care if when of age my children smoked a handful of cigars every year.

  What kills me most now though is the groveling and "humility" i had to display to get back in a year before I finally said fcuk it! and turned my letter in.

  "Yes, I think i can work on submitting to authority more" makes me furious now that those words came out of my mouth!

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  Question

  by silver rhino in

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  if any witness were able to just walk away from the organization with no repercussions, in five years what percentage of witnesses would have walked away?.

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  I feel that if all the reprecussions of being df'd or da'd the numbers above are probably a good guess. If they got rid of df or da then they would just be a regular church. Some wacky teachings here and there but then they would be a stand up religion. Secure enough in the fact that they dont get everthing right and people would not be forced to stay because of the very real fear of losing entire families and friends.

  The dialouge of the few people celebrating christmas with the ones who didnt would be awesome! A huge thing that bothers me now is dubs have no problem judging others saying "how can you celebrate christmas, its a lie!" but then as soon as I bring up even the possibility that 1914 isa lie they want nothing to do with it.

  I think it would be great, it would be difficult to call them a mind control cult anymore.

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  Hidden program in the new WT CD alerts Bethel who has visited apostate websites!!

  by moshe in

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  just imagine, if that was a true statement- or maybe it is already in the works?

  do you think it is possible?.

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  They org only has to place an obscure reference to it in the terms of service and they will be nice and legal. After all, wouldnt the good dubs want to know when "another family member" may stray onto jwfacts.com so they can be assisted with all the lies that are told there?

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  Shutter island

  by Voices in

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  2. friends

  okay so i just watched this movie....was he crazy??????

  or did he just delude into the project and gotten labotomized?????

  *confused*.

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  i remember reading the book and about midway through thinking... If they make him the crazy guy I am gonna be pissed!

  I was pissed!!

  I still watched the movie though and thought it was pretty good.

  pbrow