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US intelligence has reliable intel that iraq has weapons of mass destruction and Bush agrees... bush is an idiot and a war mongerer
US intelligence has reliable intel that russia hacked and rigged our elections and Trump disagrees... Trump is an idiot and not fit for office
Cant win for losing...
pbrow
this really annoyed me towards the end.
the watchtower doesn't do its members any favors by frequently warning about stumbling and offending each other.
it's no surprise that this becomes a cult control tactic where you can't even groom yourself the way you want because it might be "cause for stumbling".. with so much emphasis, it became wussification and contributed to the toxic environment of jehovah's witnesses.
Holy eff daughter!!!
Through all of that... you are awake!!! Fuck her good parts, she is absolute poison!
Good for you!
pbrow
dear glorious ones, we feel certain that our statement in the february 2017 watchtower - "the governing body is neither inspired nor infallible.
therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction" - will assuredly save each one of you from taking a bullet this year when the australian royal commission and the u.k. charities commission's findings are made public and inflict punitive measures on the organization for its historical failure to weed out pedophile and to protect children.
if the minions are challenged, they now have a ready-made conversation stopper and can show it to dissenters on their electronic devices.
That is awesome.... This is a step in the right direction... This gives irrefutable in print ammo for the fading class to use in the fight against the cow eyed elders.
hey koncept.... I like that phrase... "making it clear their decisions could be wrong" In my view (not inspired or infallible) this will allow awake persons still trapped inside to start making waves.
pbrow
my husband and i recently moved back to our hometown so we are back on the radar for the elders.
we have been happily inactive the last few years.
the other day a brother, who was once friends with my husband, and a substitute circuit overseer stopped in my husband's work for a shepherding visit if they still call it that.
Hey koncept... you wonder why he didnt tell them to leave and let them ramble on for 30 minutes at his work?
When you fade, you willfully stay within the system of the dubs. You certainly have a diminished presence at the hall but make no mistake you are still a part of the system... You are still not making waves, still trying to make nice with everyone, still "waiting on jehovah" to change the stance on "inactive, df and da'd ones" All these things are expertly instilled in you at a very young age as a jdub and as a fader you are applying them flawlessly.
Fading does not make you a good or bad person, it just makes you not true to yourself.
pbrow
the question is can her mother and father who are witnesses greet her in the morning only or would they be a sharer in her wicked deeds and thus also be df for saying a greeting?.
Born ins are fucked from the get go matter what happens.
The child has made the very adult decision to dedicate her life to god. If the child was mature enough to take control of her spiritual life then the parents can fuck off and not give her any more advice on spiritual matters. Bonus... No other fucktard at the hall can personally indoctrinate her any more either.
Tough road for this child but if you are born in there is no other road to take. Thanks a lot mom and dad. Dont be these parents!! GTFO
pbrow
this really annoyed me towards the end.
the watchtower doesn't do its members any favors by frequently warning about stumbling and offending each other.
it's no surprise that this becomes a cult control tactic where you can't even groom yourself the way you want because it might be "cause for stumbling".. with so much emphasis, it became wussification and contributed to the toxic environment of jehovah's witnesses.
Not only is it "no suprise" but it is in fact "by design" A design that is EXCEPTIONAL at indoctrinating children. So exceptional that even if you are not a die hard witness and dont push it on your kids, just by going to meetings your children are being expertly indoctrinated.
Get your self and especially your children out of this organization!!
pbrow
so i had my first appointment with a counsellor, of course i explained about being a born in jw, mentally leaving, the penalty of doing so and therefore the mental strain of pretending to be someone i'm not.
her response was that she couldn't help me with that because leaving a cult was a "lifestyle choice".
i tried to say to her that its a cult not a religion and how it brain washed me but no.
If you decide to leave then you decide to leave. If you decide to stay then you decide to stay. You most likely do not need assistance making that decision.
You need help in making sense of your family ACTIVELY making the decision to sever contact. That is what the difficult part is for us born ins. You can say its not a lifestyle choice if you want but your choice of being a free person has nothing to do with their choice of shunning people that dont agree with them. They have made their decision and are being true to themselves. You can get help in trying to make sense of it all but make no mistake about this..... Your family and friends are cutting you off if you choose to leave, not you. YOU are not doing that. It seems like you already understand that they will cut you off but you dont want to accept it.
Simply put, you have to come to terms with the consequences of either action and the very real stress that will come with either decision. Now you just have to deal with those consequences. Therapy, friends and this board are all good outlets to help you figure that out.
pbrow
so my parents continue to pester me about getting baptized.
the other day my dad told me that i was old enough to make a decision, and was wondering why i wasn't ready (assembly is in a few weeks) so i told him calmly that i have many doubts and if i were to get baptized it has to be 100 percent my idea.
he was a little annoyed by this, and now wants to study the "is there a creator that cares about you" book (which is complete bs) with me.
Blackwolf.... Can you take him??
If not, prepare to get out. Live with your end goal in mind every day!
If yes, then study and "lets get ready to ruuuummmmbllleeee!! " Of course you should also live your life every day with your end goal in mind to GTFO!
pbrow
so i had my first appointment with a counsellor, of course i explained about being a born in jw, mentally leaving, the penalty of doing so and therefore the mental strain of pretending to be someone i'm not.
her response was that she couldn't help me with that because leaving a cult was a "lifestyle choice".
i tried to say to her that its a cult not a religion and how it brain washed me but no.
"I don't feel like leaving was a lifestyle choice, it was an awakening to a reality that had been hidden from me and now I'm having to sit on the fence of both worlds"
I am failing to see the problem with her assessment that leaving is a lifestyle choice. What else is it? If the jw lifestyle is not for you then ... are you not making a lifestyle choice to get out and not live that life??
Leaving the jw life is a lifestyle choice just like sitting on the fence in both worlds is a lifestyle choice. If you decide to sit on the fence you pay for that choice by having to suppress your personal freedom because of fear of what other people will do. If you choose to leave the religion, you are making the decision to no longer be afraid of what other people will do/say to/about you. There are consequences of either choice but make no mistake, it is a lifestyle choice.
I am not really sure though why she/he would not be able to assist you with it. Being raised a born in has a very concrete affect on who you are as a person and how you deal with life. That is specifically what her job is meant to address.
pbrow
we always say free choice, the freedom to choose well the ability to choose is freedom and we claim freedom ourselves to the attention that we become aware of our decisions.
well today this year i choose to never step foot in a kh again unless someone died or i have an axe and some gasoline!
who's got a lighter for me?.
Bravo!
I have an axe if you bring the lighter!
pbrow
