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  Picking up the pieces

  by longgone in

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  just needing a listening ear, so in advance thanks for being here, no one other than ex-jw's could understand.

  they may try, but i think only a person who lived through it could know what's its really like.. i wish i could be supporting others here but i'm so broken myself i can't seem to do that yet.

  i hope that will come in time though.. for now, i'm trying to undo the damage done to my family by the wts.

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  I second the comments about arriving here broken but more importantly letting go of the guilt. For far too long guilt guided all my choices as a jdub. Fuck the guilt.

  While raising kids as jdubs certainly put unique strains on them life could have been much worse. If your kids left on their own they are way ahead of many of us here!! Good for them! You are out... good for you!! The first and most daunting step is over!

  Besides shedding guilt, now you need to shed your well ingrained ideas of sin and the idea that living for yourself and kids is somehow displeasing to a diety.

  Start being selfish now. You spent many years trying to please an organization. Focus on yourself and your kids. You can be mad or sad or whatever you want but use this freedom to start to focus on the the only life any of us really know that we have... THIS ONE!

  Good luck and welcome.. you are welcome here... even if you dont beleive everything I or anyone else says here.

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  Does enforced shunning violate free will?

  by poopie in

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  Saeth... you are not wrong in that individuals can be df or da for openly associated with a df or da person. I would question you as to what you mean by "force"? The company is telling and individual... if you want to be a member you have to shun... So an individual has to say "i want to be a member therefore I am making the choice to shun this person" If they CHOOSE to shun then they have made a value judgement for themselves that being a member is more important than contact with the person who is to be shunned.

  Continuing to place blame on a group when the responsibility belongs to the individual for making their own value judgement just seems pointless.

  Your mother/father/sister/brother is making a value judgement that being a part of the group is more important than their relationship with you.

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  Does enforced shunning violate free will?

  by poopie in

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  If an individual values being a member of the jehovahs witnesses organization, shunning is a required in various degrees. My mother is a jdub who chooses to define shunning loosely.

  This is the important part, that all of us do well to understand for our own benefit sooner rather than later..... Shunning is a choice made by individual jdubs that has a specific set of consequences. Choosing not to shun is also a choice made by individual jdubs that has a specific set of consequences.

  If your family is shunning you it is because they value being a member of the group more then they value you as a person. They are not being forced to shun you, they are choosing to shun you.

  There is enough shit in this world. Choose to divorce yourself from cancerous people wherever and whoever they are.

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  84 Lumber Commercial

  by azor in

  1. jw
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  just saw this commercial and was very impressed.

  hoping more companies start doing the same.

  most of us are immigrants.

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  Sir... not sure what your argument is...

  people who take other peoples property are stealing...

  people who cross legal boundaries are illegal immigrants...

  both groups are people. both groups are doing something illegal

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  Women's March on Washington

  by azor in

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  my support is with the marchers in washington and around the country today.

  i was raised through my formative years by my mother and sister while my father was out of the picture.

  they gave me the compassion i have today.

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  What is being taken away from women? It seems to me that the good ol usa is a country that the world can look to for an example of what women can do/become. Housewife, executive, proffessional athlete, hell women can even be clergy now!! Next thing you know we will have women in the most prestigious schools in the nation and then we will have them running for president!

  What is being taken away from minorities? Trump wants to seriously look at the problems in immigration, the problem of millions of illegals and a long hard look at immigrants from islamic countries? Shouldnt we already be doing that?

  Of the ten or so jobs I have had in my short life from telecommunications to the fire service, women made/make the same as me. It is up to all workers to demand that they are paid what they are worth, through unions or bargaining directly with their employer or starting their own business.

  That being said.... March on if thats what floats your boat!!

  May America be blessed by the one and only true god, allah

  pbrow
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  7th Day Adventist growth/decline stats similar to JWs

  by fukitol in

  1. jw
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  the sda's are also getting most of their growth in africa and latin america but plateauing or declining in europe and parts of the western world.. what's also interesting is the sda leadership fronts up and attempts to explain why there is decline in some areas of the world (albeit somewhat disingenously), eg, on the link below from 2014. but the watchtower leaders have never tried to give any explanation for why membership is dramatically falling away in the western world.

  increasingly worried jws are instead turning to other sources of information to try and understand why the 'true religion' is contracting.. http://news.adventist.org/en/all-news/news/go/2013-10-13/membership-nears-18-million-secretary-highlights-regions-of-growth-decline/.

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  Hey videot...

  You got me thinking... When the message turns to judgement then they will be able to really hammer home the foreshadowing of the blblical story of not leaving (jeruselum?) even though nothing is happening.

  The born ins will continue to be fucked.

  pbrow
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  7th Day Adventist growth/decline stats similar to JWs

  by fukitol in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the sda's are also getting most of their growth in africa and latin america but plateauing or declining in europe and parts of the western world.. what's also interesting is the sda leadership fronts up and attempts to explain why there is decline in some areas of the world (albeit somewhat disingenously), eg, on the link below from 2014. but the watchtower leaders have never tried to give any explanation for why membership is dramatically falling away in the western world.

  increasingly worried jws are instead turning to other sources of information to try and understand why the 'true religion' is contracting.. http://news.adventist.org/en/all-news/news/go/2013-10-13/membership-nears-18-million-secretary-highlights-regions-of-growth-decline/.

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  I went to a "journey to bethlehem" production put on by the Adventists for christmas last year at a farm near my house. Dubs are decendants of the adventists and their chronology is very similar. As I was listening to the dopes dressed up as the three wise men talknig about the end time prophesiec and the moon being in the lower left hand quadrant I though I was back in the kingdom hall. They are in fact hoping... waiting for the end of the world very, very soon, right around the corner, any day now which is to say imminently.

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  Trumps Inaugural Address - Comparisons

  by azor in

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  i thought i would start a new post about trumps inaugural address.

  has anyone here seen "the new pope"?

  jude law gave a stirring performance playing the pope.

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  I hate to disturb your slumber but Hillary did not have an inaugural address.

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  Young People Ask: I’m Attracted to the Same Sex—Does That Mean I’m Gay?

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  eurgh!

  more patronizing and uninformed reasoning from the "experts" at bethel.

  this time tackling the sensitive subject of those attracted the the same sex.

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  Talk to almost any gay person who had to go through growing up gay. Almost to a person they are near the view that they would not have chosen to go through what they were forced to by the viewpoint of good christians.

  Having my high school age children talking about their friend william, dating deshawn now makes me feel a) incredibly proud of my kids, b) happy that it is much easier for these kids to grow up normal and c) acutely aware of the negative way I thought about gay people while still in the church.

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  The Trump Era commences

  by ZAPPA-ESQUE in

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  I dont understand the "trump is a puppet" comments. Almost all his detractors keep talking about all the stupid shit he says and how he continues to shoot from the hip. His speech was too dark, he didnt reach across to those who didnt vote for him. blah. blah. blah. If there is one thing Trump is, he is his own man.

  He is not looking for wwIII. He is surrounding himself with doubters and outsiders (very wealthy outsiders but outsiders nontheless) They are do'ers not talkers. He is going to treat the government like a psuedo-business. Time will tell whether that is a proper outlook or not. If its not, he has enemies on both sides of the isle to make him a one term lame duck prez.

  You can take the endtimes man out of the cult but you cant take the doomsday out of the man.

  pbrow