Posts by pbrow

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Preventing a minor child from being baptized if you are their parent

by RayPublisher in

there may be no way legally for me to stop this, but it is a worry since i "woke up" to the truth about the truth a couple years ago.. now my young kids (9 and 11) are heading in that direction at the urging of their mother.

i am still inside and trying to do a fade (for family/friend reasons) but sometimes i wonder if leaving would be smarter in the long run for them.

any thoughts or strategies are welcome.. .

pbrow

Nathan, I dont see how he could be more benificial to them by staying in. Give the kids a chance to be involved in a normal childhood and they will not choose the dubs. A huge weapon in the indoctrination process is sheltering them from the other side of things. SHOW THEM THE OTHER SIDE!! Ray, get out. Have a birthday party with them and maybe a few kids from school. When the dub friends find out and start to move away from hanging with your kids explain this to them!! Tell them that the jw kids are not allowed to play with them because.... you dont agree with everything they do. That is showing your kids what a croc these people stand for. You are the father. You live with them. Take the bull by the horns! Your kids are more important than any other reason or person to "stay in" for. By staying in and pretending for the next 2, 3, 4 or 5 years you are just allowing the mindset to creep in.

GTFO for your kids!!

pbrow

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Preventing a minor child from being baptized if you are their parent

by RayPublisher in

there may be no way legally for me to stop this, but it is a worry since i "woke up" to the truth about the truth a couple years ago.. now my young kids (9 and 11) are heading in that direction at the urging of their mother.

i am still inside and trying to do a fade (for family/friend reasons) but sometimes i wonder if leaving would be smarter in the long run for them.

any thoughts or strategies are welcome.. .

pbrow

I take it from the comments that you are still with the mother.

I think its go time. You need to make a clean open break with the religion. Ask yourself, do you want your kids contemplating this same scenario when they are older? Do you want them to regret being taught a lie for 20 years and then having an epiphany at 20, 30, 40 or even later?? Hell no!! You cant teach your kids to think critically by reading a book and then live a lie. You need to step up for the kids sake. I am not saying its easy, but what is the alternative?? I look back and ask "how did my mom teach me this bs?" They are only kids once, give them the chance to play a sport, be on the debate team or whatever else they are into and just be a normal kid!!

Fading is living a lie. That is not judgemental . I know some faders and I know why they are doing it. But one of the reasons I woke up is because of the thought of having to explain to my kids some effed up things that do not make sense to me. They will learn above all else by what you DO, not what you say.

I feel for you bro, not an easy decision for you.

pbrow

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Sowing

by snowbird in

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pbrow

The dubs act the way they do because they are all concerned about what they think another person is going to think about what they actually do. That was a huge factor in the "sowing" that I was able to accomplish with a family member. (who is basically now a dub in name only)

off topic.... The Rosa Parks incident was a setup. She was "chosen" by a civil rights group to be the poor black lady who wouldnt give up her seat on the bus. I think that a younger female was initially "chosen" but she was unmarried (and possibly got pregnant) and it was determined that she would not have fit the profile the group was looking for.

pbrow

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How can you spot an über-Witness?

by dgp in

is there anything that would let you know, right away, that you're dealing with someone extremely witness?.

thanks..

pbrow

what about the dubs who bring their bibles to wedding talks!! That always pissed me off!!

phoney futher muckers!!

pbrow

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Were you ever DF'd? For what and how long?

by QuestioningEverything in

i was df'd when i was 20 or so for fornication.

i got reinstated when i was 24. i had a son during that time and i was worried about us if we didn't get back to the fold and 'protection' of the organization.

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pbrow

godrulz, I was given the boot for the same thing. I had two seperate meetings for about three hours each. The threw up every red hering they could think of but still could not convince me that god gave two shts about me having a cigar w/ gpa couple times a year. I remember them comparing smoking to cocaine use. One of the ex bethalites asked if my children were to take up smoking would that change my mind. I told him that god would not care if when of age my children smoked a handful of cigars every year.

What kills me most now though is the groveling and "humility" i had to display to get back in a year before I finally said fcuk it! and turned my letter in.

"Yes, I think i can work on submitting to authority more" makes me furious now that those words came out of my mouth!

pbrow

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Question

by silver rhino in

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if any witness were able to just walk away from the organization with no repercussions, in five years what percentage of witnesses would have walked away?.

pbrow

I feel that if all the reprecussions of being df'd or da'd the numbers above are probably a good guess. If they got rid of df or da then they would just be a regular church. Some wacky teachings here and there but then they would be a stand up religion. Secure enough in the fact that they dont get everthing right and people would not be forced to stay because of the very real fear of losing entire families and friends.

The dialouge of the few people celebrating christmas with the ones who didnt would be awesome! A huge thing that bothers me now is dubs have no problem judging others saying "how can you celebrate christmas, its a lie!" but then as soon as I bring up even the possibility that 1914 isa lie they want nothing to do with it.

I think it would be great, it would be difficult to call them a mind control cult anymore.

pbrow

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Hidden program in the new WT CD alerts Bethel who has visited apostate websites!!

by moshe in

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just imagine, if that was a true statement- or maybe it is already in the works?

do you think it is possible?.

pbrow

They org only has to place an obscure reference to it in the terms of service and they will be nice and legal. After all, wouldnt the good dubs want to know when "another family member" may stray onto jwfacts.com so they can be assisted with all the lies that are told there?

pbrow

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Shutter island

by Voices in

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okay so i just watched this movie....was he crazy??????

or did he just delude into the project and gotten labotomized?????

*confused*.

pbrow

i remember reading the book and about midway through thinking... If they make him the crazy guy I am gonna be pissed!

I was pissed!!

I still watched the movie though and thought it was pretty good.

pbrow

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green bay convention/pdfs

by pbrow in

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friends

standfirm, so you want pdf of the new publicatons.

so you want to post on this blog/forum/website whatever you want to call it.

we dont mind.

pbrow

Hey yknot,

I got no problem with my fellow sconnie. I also was a born in from the south east wisconsin area. When your ready to wake up your ready to wake up. It will happen, he is already this far for petes sake.

What floors me is that all these people will be at the convention, a good number with doubts but all afraid to say anything because of the very real consequences with regards to family and friends. I get that. I tell my family that are still in, it all starts with you, one person. If everyone just stood up and voiced the opinion, questioned what needed to be questioned. Make your friends and family prove to you why the dubs were chosen in 1919. Prove it to me. Prove it from the bible why you cant talk to me if "pbrow is no longer one of jehovahs witnesses" Please dear family member show me where the bible says "never talk to the one smoking a cigar/celebrating christmas" Make your family prove it and dont let up. Be tactful but dont back down. They cant do it and they will wake up. All these people who have plaques at home that say "lean on jehovah" just need to do it. He will take care of you. If your friends and family are worth it, you will be able to reach them.

If the dubs ever get rid of the df/da policy they will be an acceptable religion, no better or worse than all the rest. Stop breaking up families

pbrow

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green bay convention/pdfs

by pbrow in

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friends

standfirm, so you want pdf of the new publicatons.

so you want to post on this blog/forum/website whatever you want to call it.

we dont mind.

pbrow

standfirm, so you want pdf of the new publicatons. So what. So you want to post on this blog/forum/website whatever you want to call it. So what. We dont mind. We want you here if for no other reason than the "1st century organization" thread you started. If you get the pdf you wont help further the jwn agenda? So what. What is the agenda here? I am sure a large majority of people here would have no problem with you or anyone else posting every piece of light the society has put out. We are not afraid of people reading light by the society. Part of the agenda is allowing people a voice that they otherwise do not have in the real world. A voice that if spoken out loud would certainly put in jeapordy lifelong friendships and family ties. A voice that is not spoken of in an authoritative "my way or the highway" but simply an honest expression of "i simply dont believe in 1914/1919" (choose a belief)

I just read standfirms request for the pdfs at the green bay convention so thats the only reason I put his name in here. It could apply to any society apologist. Any apologist that converses back and forth with "outlaw" and then tries to hammer to death other doctrines that should be followed as presented by the society in my opinion is ..... suspect? (not sure if thats the right word). I havent been here long but Im pretty sure outlaw would be considered an apostate by all my former dub friends. Again, "society apologist" i dont care if you converse with apostates because in fact i dont consider "outlaw" an apostate.

It just SEEMS disingenious to me thats all. rambling over.

pbrow