my husband is awake,yay!
we haven't been to meeting since february, although we attended the memorial.
when jws have called us we say we are amazing, everything is awesome much to their shock.
Meet with them.... Make it a huge knock down drag out fight... do not apologize for anything or hide anything in reference to your comments about college. Tell them under no circumstances would you ever discourage a child from attending college. Then when you are formally/informally marked because of encouraging children to go to college talk with these close friends you care about in regards to the reason you are now being harassed by the elders and GTFO !!!
FREEDOM!! Get some.
pbrow
you can't see electricity or hear it or feel it.
well, there are sparks and lightning bolts and heating elements and the light and heat of filaments.
and somehow, it lights up neon in a tube.
I think Richard Dawkins said it best .....
"Science works..... Bitches"
pbrow
ps... if you "believe" in science that is..
for the past three years, my husband and i have been watching these sermons by remarkable worldwide speakers.
the biblical truths we have learnt from their presentations, in such a short period of time most definitely tip the scales compared to the truth the jw.org led me to believe i had for over 20 plus years of my life.
thanks to these videos, we have now found the truth and the truth is jesus christ (john 14:6).
Hey truthseeker... Which bible/holy book makes no difference. God is certainly a man and he hates gays very much.
What floors me is that if a tribal herdsman from the middle east wrote a book today and said it was the word of thorallahovahzuess... (and managed to get it published) it would be mocked by the jesus lovers (and rightfully so) but because the bible has been magically printed in our own beloved english we believe it has superpowers.
pbrow
i was thinking of starting a topic on thoughts that go through your mind while attending meetings.... right now i am at the meeting and thinking ... we study about jesus's courage to stand by rightness and truth, about him getting in conflict with religious leaders who thought of themselves as experts of the law, jesus understood truth and god differently of them and he had the courage to speak out!.
so we study this, but after that we draw the concluzion that courage is to go preaching and identify yourself as a witness .... well, this in not what i understand from jesus's courage!.
When you realize that it is forbidden.... not constrained or discouraged but actually forbidden, I think your options are very limited if you are trying to reach your full potential. You need to get out. If you have kids in this organization you must actively, not passively work against it. If you have "friends" or family in and are afraid of losing those relationships then leaving is something only you can decide on.
All of us have had friends and family that we literally in one day just lost. As much as people still in think that they have true friendships, they are kidding themselves. It is not easy but it is completely worth it. I do not have to pretend I like the meetings or have to bite my tongue if I see a jw in passing. I am free to be me... in all my tobacco chewing bearded glory.
Good luck, The journey is worth it no matter how long it takes!
pbrow
most of you have probably seen the apostasy trial video posted on youtube (and all over social media) recently.
well, there's a "wordly" woman from another country that i had worked with some time ago and she's posted it, tagged me, and asked "wtf?
", knowing i'm a still a jw just for family reasons.
Hey cookie... I think you have found a way to get rid of all the jdub's on your facebook. You just need to embrace your inner apostate instead of trying to hide him.
pbrow
i was thinking of starting a topic on thoughts that go through your mind while attending meetings.... right now i am at the meeting and thinking ... we study about jesus's courage to stand by rightness and truth, about him getting in conflict with religious leaders who thought of themselves as experts of the law, jesus understood truth and god differently of them and he had the courage to speak out!.
so we study this, but after that we draw the concluzion that courage is to go preaching and identify yourself as a witness .... well, this in not what i understand from jesus's courage!.
Oubliette, Could not agree more! GTFO!!
NOTHING is worth more than your personal freedom. Until people stop downplaying in their own mind how important this freedom is they are stifling themselves.
On a side note... I remember someone interviewing R Dawkins and they made a comment about Dawkins being "very upset with god." Dawkins said "upset with god?... that is of course ridiculous" implying its hard to be upset with something that is not real... You could tell the comment went right over the head of his interviewer.
Searcher.... While I can understand why some choose to fade, you absolutely cannot be 100% honest when fading. When you make the choice to fade you choose to hide a fundamental truth within you to pacify one or more relationships. It is simply not possible to fade and be 100% honest.
pbrow
you know, i always maintained that during this fading process, and while learning ttatt, i would not let myself get "bitter twisted and angry".... but, in all honesty, if i examine myself, i have become quite bitter toward the org, toward the false friends and the gb.. i have become angry as i see the extent of damage i feel being raised in "the truth" has done.... i feel hurt towards the lost opportunities in life etc.... how do i not allow myself to get too swallowed up by such bitterness?.
i have always been a very happy, positive, selfless person.
i can put people at ease, i am someone people feel comfortable chatting to.
Hey stuck...
Not sure of your exact situation but my opinion is to make a clean break. Just DA and get out of dodge. No relationship is worth losing your personal freedom over. When I woke up I told my mother I would stay in for her sake but I was not going to hide anything. That lasted for about 6 months until I got a knock on the door from two caring elders. I had it out w/ them and formally notified them of my intention to leave.
If you formally leave you dont have to hide your personal beliefs and you dont have to play any fucked up games w/ people who will ditch you in a moments notice. Personal freedom over ALL else.
good luck
pbrow
loyal pooch protected my identity for more than a decade, time for a rest old pal.. yep, that's the real me in my new avatar all stubbly and snoozing in the afternoon sun.
call me nic' or call me mike, it's all good.
congrats bro... hold that head up high!
pbrow
conn. firefighter who is jehovah's witness files federal discrimination lawsuit.
http://www.ctlawtribune.com/id=1202722980377/conn-firefighter-who-is-jehovahs-witness-files-federal-discrimination-lawsuit#ixzz3xhkbpznt.
Anyone who sues for harrasmeNT while in a firehouse does not belong on the job. This bj should have been weeded out in probie school. The men in the house were just taking care of the trash.
In the firehouse you have a right to stfu and get in the kitchen. If you cant handle the firehouse then you cant handle the fireground.
pbrow
i'm not an expert but that is my understanding of this: .
opinion filed.. (signed published) the judgment against defendants on the negligence count is affirmed.
the judgment against watchtower on the cause of action for punitive damages is reversed with directions to enter judgment for watchtower on punitive damages.
Congrats Ms Conti!
After reading the ruling it is clear that these elders and society lawyers have sold their proverbial souls to the devil. The fact that the punitive portion was reversed means nothing in terms of the society being proven guilty.
At the end of the day, ANYONE that learns of a child abuser and hides behind a curtain of priest/elder confidentiality is a coward. I simply cannot fathom a grown man learning of a child molester and not doing everything in his power to make it known to persons he has been entrusted to care for. That is without even mentioning reporting the offender to the authorities. I do not know how they live with themselves
pbrow
