so i was reading the book of daniel, starting with chapter 4 (nebuchadnezzar's famous tree chopping/banding dream where the 7 times is introduced) but i noticed that when you don't cherry pick verses and just read straight thru - it really seems like some children's book that was poorly written.
even though the borg says that this book as written by daniel, chapter 4 is clearly written by "king nebuchad·nezzar to all the peoples, nations, and language groups dwelling in all the earth" after the tree chopping business.
) of the rest of the chapters seem to be written in 3rd person (odd, if you are writing about your experiences).
I think if you would just take 5 minutes and check it... it says that it is.
duh
pbrow
edit... mroboto.... keep asking questions! This is awesome to read! You remind me of an extremely good looking person I know who, after leaving his church, asked many of these same questions!
what happens to the wife after their gb husband dies..
Hey sir... .that face looks like he knows he is getting away with the farm and he is taking full advantage of it!!
pbrow
oh... and its not luck.... that would be bad !
i put this under the "scandal" section because it is both a scandal how the wtbts can flaunt its evil hypocrisy and an even bigger scandal that the u.n. and governments in general turn a blind eye to the treatment inflicted on anyone who questions or challenges the org's teachings and practices.
"the right to change religions is supported by the universal declaration of human rights, which the united nations has called “the foundation of international human rights law.”......of course, these rights carry with them the obligation to respect the rights of others both to maintain their beliefs and to reject ideas that they disagree with.
https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/change-religion/.
Fall guy... you are correct. Everyone has a right to choose. My grandmother and lifelong friends CHOOSE not to talk to me. They do not have a gun pointed to their heads. THEY value THEIR belief over the value of talking to me. Oh fucking well.
I agree that shunning is systemic in that dubs as a group of individual people believe not talking to you will help you come back to jah. What are you going to do? Force a group of people to not believe something?
"Hello, I am Agent Smith from the Federal Belief Enforcement Agency.... you can no longer believe that not talking to your son will help him to come back to your precious jah"
or try this one...
"Hello Mr Lett, I am Agent Johnson from the Federal Belief Crafting So As Not To Be Offensive Agency, we are going to help you with your understanding of bible principles so as not to have a policy that teaches people to not talk to their family or friends who have left your church"
Sounds pretty fucked up right? As a US citizen I will take the benefits and consequences of freedom of religion/thought over my government trying to dictate what i believe or who i can or cannot talk to.
pbrow
as a witness i always found a way to not have to embarrass myself by sitting down for the national anthem.. i’m curious.
how many of you stood up for the patriotic song?.
God its fucked up what we did as kids to avoid confrontation for things we neither understood or even did not necessarily agree with.
One more self realization nail in the coffin for fading when you have kids. Do not make this shit normal for your kids! Get them the fuck out of this church!
pbrow
i put this under the "scandal" section because it is both a scandal how the wtbts can flaunt its evil hypocrisy and an even bigger scandal that the u.n. and governments in general turn a blind eye to the treatment inflicted on anyone who questions or challenges the org's teachings and practices.
"the right to change religions is supported by the universal declaration of human rights, which the united nations has called “the foundation of international human rights law.”......of course, these rights carry with them the obligation to respect the rights of others both to maintain their beliefs and to reject ideas that they disagree with.
https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/change-religion/.
The dubs certainly do not support your changing religion but they sure as fuck allow it. They have no other choice. I seem to remember very clearly being able to leave of my own free will when I wanted to. (I was born-in)
Dubs respect your right to leave. What else can they do? Stop you from leaving? The problem is you do not respect their right to not talk to you if they do not want to. I understand first hand what this implies, but make no mistake.... NO ONE has to talk to you if they do not want to.
When they violate the law, ie... the blood issue and children.. then prosecute them. But freedom of speech and freedom of religion allow for people to choose fucked up religions. Such is life.
pbrow
as a witness i always found a way to not have to embarrass myself by sitting down for the national anthem.. i’m curious.
how many of you stood up for the patriotic song?.
You stand out of respect for the ideals that the flag stands for. I was a born in but stood out of respect.
Kneeling or sitting is a perfect example of freedom of speech but make no mistake it is disrespectful to do so.
pbrow
i have a 'financial advisor' email tell of massive changes coming to us (and thereby world currencies) on the above date.. does 13-dec 2017 mean anything to anyone.?.
he is talking about the removal of cash etc now if this is half way correct where does it leave the money machine of the wt?.
positive responses welcome..
phishing would be my guess.
I got an email about a turkish princess that is in big trouble.... I am rushing out to buy apple itune gift cards at target right now!
pbrow
the word shunning is an old english word which has not history pre 18th century.
the practice of avoiding, hiding,ignore or reject was used in the bible against another according to the law.
the law was still in force up until the consumation of the age when jerusalem, the temple, the old covenants were all destroyed forever and when the messiah came back for his elect with the resurrected at the same time.
Check out the January 8th 1947 Awake magazine where the orgs very own publication talks about how excommunicating / shunning has pagan origins.
When I was first waking up, this was a powerful article to read, if only because of the flip flop nature of the society's policies.
pbrow
i've picked up from several replies to posts here that the org has stopped using the term "worldly" as it applies to people.
this must have happened after i left.
would someone be so kind as to explain the "rationale" behind this shift?
While in family court with my ex in the past year I used "worldly" when referring to my children's friends (somewhat mockingly) and my ex was openly agitated and said "we do not use that term.
I got out in 2010 and it was used by everyone I know.
pbrow
i would like to remind those folks younger than i that it was very few years ago when almost the entire planet earth was run by and for the benefit of men.women have throughout history been the property of men.due to religious restrictions, teachings, and fundamentalist doctrines, women in the largest societies on earth right now (muslim, chinese, n.korean) have almost no human rights at all.next year, in june, women will, for the 1st time, be allowed in arabia to drive---but--only if they are 30 years old or older, and for only a few hours per day!the old testament laws (read through them sometime) are horrifying reflective of prejudice toward gender, bodily cleanliness, guilt-tripping, and anonymity.
(what was noah's wife's name?
lot's wife?
There are pigs everywhere. Men and women. Just like there are racists everywhere.
Things are said to me almost weekly by women that if the table was turned and I said them about women I would be fired yesterday. As with anything else in life, If you do not like things that are said to you then it is up to you to fight for yourself. You cannot count on anyone else to do it for you.
If Harvey told a 20 year old woman that she had to sleep with him to get the job then he is taking advantage of his position. The 20 year old is free to say "fuck it" and walk away, she is also free to take him up on his proposition. It makes him sleezy, it makes him an opportunist. It also makes the female an opportunist. If she later regrets it, then she regrets it. Experience is an effective teacher.
I should say I have only heard that Harvey preyed upon young adult women. If he did something illegal he goes from douche bag to criminal.
pbrow
