Posts by clearpoison

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observations from today's tower study and questions

by therevealer in

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page 29 paragraph 16 at the head of an army of powerful angels and, no doubt, his resurrected.

brothers, he will destroy satan's entire political, military, and commercial system on.

earth.

clearpoison

And if the final sealing means resurrection to heaven does this contradict some being on earth for Armageddon

I always understood this in such way that they can be sealed as member of the kings and priests in heaven, irrevocably, as they are ultimatelly proven righteous and cannot fail anymore. Their earthly lives will however continue and the transformation to heaven from earthly life is then separate occasion. What I'm uncertain about is if surviving anointed and sealed are expected to stay for a while in post-Armageddon world.

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Is this a change in WT policy?

by cofty in

in the previous elder's manual was it a judicial offence if somebody persistently associated with a disfellowshipped person?

i am sure it ws when i was an elder.

was that not how they finally got ray franz?.

clearpoison

Ofcourse, not trying to get indulged with multiple special privileges, could be considered as brazen conduct. Who knows?

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They keep pushing and pushing for the rank and file to do more and more. Dec 15 WT

by life is to short in

they are causing mental problems by pushing and pushing the ones in to do more and more and more.. the dec 15th wt on page 7 says .

"you have a document that needs a certain person's attention by the end of the day.

you mare it urgent!

clearpoison

Are you telling that WBTS should launch a Telenovela kind of dramatized daily TV program, the life and conscious of JW?

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Conscious Class: Do you still go in field service?

by brotherdan in

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i know there are some of the "conscious class" on the board (i.e.

yknot, miseryloveselders,elderelite,etc...) do you guys still go in the field ministry?

and if so, what do you focus on?

clearpoison

how'd you do that?

By telling them the truth, that I had not been able to make the truth "my own" during my active years. I was referring to doubts concerning myself and my position in God's plans. I did not attack any doctrinal issues, I really couldn't either, as said I've not been able to make truth "my own". I was however prepared to whatever outcome. I understood they could interpret this as DA (it was not what I was searching for), they could find the reason to start DF process (I believe they have means, knowledge and right to pursue this too), that it was OK was the least expected outcome.

I have my family in, I have extensive amount of "friends" I've learned to know during years. I would not have resisted the DA/DF either, I know what is the consequense of that. Put I really believe that each and everyone must themselves be satisfied with what and how they believe. It cannot be outsourced to a collective body. If someone really believes personally I'm glad for them, if someone has found out that they cannot believe this way, I'm equally glad form them, because both parties have made a personal decision.

Ok, this went slightly OT, sorry for that

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Conscious Class: Do you still go in field service?

by brotherdan in

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friends

i know there are some of the "conscious class" on the board (i.e.

yknot, miseryloveselders,elderelite,etc...) do you guys still go in the field ministry?

and if so, what do you focus on?

clearpoison

Debating with myself if I'm being part of the Conscious Class, assuming so. No, I do not participate in FS, I explained to couple of Elders why it would be inappropriate and they agreed.

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When a person gets disfellowshipped, why do the elders say no longer one of JW's.

by Joliette in

i've been meaning on asking this, and i forgot to post it when i first joined this website..

clearpoison

I overheard this kind of explanation once. It really do not matter if a person DA's themselves or get DF'd, it is due to person's own actions and unrepentant attitude that leads to that they cannot be considered to be one of the JW's anymore. Therefore the announcement in same format for both cases would be appropriate.

Whatever

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The elders were told in my hall they can pick up their copy of the elders book tonight!

by life is to short in

ok i know many of you will think i am strange but i tie in to the meeting on tuesday night just for the announcements five minutes ok i might have to listen to just a tad bit of the song it truly is horrible.. ok so just like 10 minutes ago they announced that the elders can go to the po or cobe after the meeting to get their new elders book.

i was like seriously they just announced it.

i was laughing so hard as it has been out on the internet for at least two weeks now and the elders in my hall are now just getting it.

clearpoison

For me the existense of the book has never been any secret, the content is other issue. Always prior to, is it Ministerial School?, there was announcement made about date and transport arrangements, mentioning that Elders should have their shepherd book with them. What was always clear however was that it was for Elders eyes only. I would not be surprised if delivery of the book would be announced publicly like above.

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Finally the FDS tells us why they made the new song book.

by life is to short in

the dec 15th wt finally tells us why the new song book.

who would think it was new light that made them have to change there book but here it is.. paragraph 15 says "as times passes, refinements are made in our understanding of the sciptures.

proverbs 4:18 says: "the path of the righteous ones is like the bright light that is getting lighter and lighter until the day is firmly established.

clearpoison

Sorry brotherdan you mentioned it already, but to confirm it then.

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Finally the FDS tells us why they made the new song book.

by life is to short in

the dec 15th wt finally tells us why the new song book.

who would think it was new light that made them have to change there book but here it is.. paragraph 15 says "as times passes, refinements are made in our understanding of the sciptures.

proverbs 4:18 says: "the path of the righteous ones is like the bright light that is getting lighter and lighter until the day is firmly established.

clearpoison

This was actually told in the very assembly when publishing the at that time forthcoming songbook was announced. If I recall right those words in the article were very much the ones used in that speech/presentation. After that we were "priviledged" to listen couple of songs from the new book, with some groovy choir singing.

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Reporting time

by serein in

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has any of u ever put a report in and added time u didnt do on it.

i have ......just so theyd stop bugging me its like every time i sat down have u put ur report in thats all they talked to me for,.

then id get ignored rest of the time,.

clearpoison

I did for years, couple of last years still reporting I had more or less the 1-2 hours thing without matching performance. Nobody really cared or wondered that I was missing from FS meetings.

I was often reminded about late reporting though, which I then texted. One day I started thinking, who am I kidding, I came to a conclusion it was myself I was betraying actually. This time in due time, sent my text stating zero. No reaction, none at all. It was a relief, it really didn't matter.