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  What is the meaning of true spirituality?

  by ele_lux in

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  i was trying to figure out the answer to this question when i came across my notes of a talk by the do in the 09 circuit convention.

  he said the world defined "spirituality" however it would suit them; according to their own religion.

  he gave example definitions of spirituality (being in touch with nature, spiritism, going to church and reading the bible, etc.

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  Marcfromcali, I guess that makes sense. It's funny how easy it is for me to stop believeing in God because I just don't see that almighty loving person anywhere, but I'm still cautious regarding demons since THEY seem to make sense... it must be more of an subconscious fear I need to work out.

  Ding, I appreciate you commenting on the matter, but I don't believe in God anymore, or at least I find him very unlikely. And I think even atheists and agnostics can be spiritual people.

  WTWizard, that's a really interesting way to see things... I guess the problem with a lot of witnesses, especially those who were born in a JW family is that they are made to believe that their life purpose is to preach and read the Watchtower. Most likely that D.O. felt like that was his purpose in life. Thing is, they go trying to convince everyone that is THEIR life purpose too!

  It just came to my mind a stupid thing I said to a Bible student a while ago. He said he didn't think preaching a lot was his thing. And I said it was EVERYONE'S thing. And I swore that the moment he tried regular pioneering, he would realize there was nothing more spiritually fulfilling than that.

  Most ironically, I was not enjoying my own service that much, but I still believed it was my fault and everyone else must be enjoying it because the WT says you will and how can they be lying?

  Now that I know they were... I guess I'm off to find that which genuinely fulfills my spiritual need :)
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  Even God can't escape the Matrix

  by gubberningbody in

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  the only thing god can know for certain, is what we know for certain:.

  we think, so we know we exist.. .

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  "How can you know what an eternal, omniscient being knows?"

  You read the Bible. (sarcasm)
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  New here

  by ariker in

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  i just wanted to stop in and say hello.

  i've been out of the borg for a long time.

  always looking forward to new topics and ideas.

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  Welcome welcome :) What's your life like since you left?
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  Son asked today

  by crazy2try in

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  neither of them ever asked to go.

  he then asked about my family.

  he asked if that was because my mom is no longer a jw.

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  That's so great crazy2try!

  I don't have any children, but one of things that was still making me question whether I should leave the organization or not was the knowledge that I was a good person because of the principles i learned as a JW. Thinking that maybe someday I would have to raise children without ever mentioning Jehovah or what he expects from them was really scary... But I see it's not the only way. And there might actually be better motivations to be good than the fear of Jehovah killing you in Armageddon...
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  Rape in the Bible. Condoned or not?

  by whereami in

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obi4atylv7o.

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  How come as Witnesses reading the Bible every day we don't realize this?!?! And how can people quit the WT and find out all of this and STILL believe in the Bible? The God of the Bible really is confusing.....
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  Faith in God and the fear of death

  by Nickolas in

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  in his book die zukunft einer illusion (the future of an illusion), sigmund freud described belief in god as a collective neurosis.

  he wrote that the religious impulse is essentially ineradicable until or unless the human species can conquer its fear of death and its tendency toward wish-thinking.. freud was a smart guy but he postulated a great deal on some things, fear of death in particular.

  he was a committed atheist but did see the benefit of belief in god for the jewish people, of which he was a member.. but did he get it right?

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  I've never been consciously afraid to die, then again i've thought if suicide plenty and never had the guts... At this point, I'm pretty sure god is a fantasy, and since i'm only 22 and childless i guess it makes sense for me to be happy to live a life in a world where god does not exist. But i AM afraid that as i grow older and especially grow into old age, i might be so afraid to die that i might start believing in Jehovah again. All the more so if after leaving the organization I finally manage to have a decent or even enjoyable life! So contradictory....
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  What does your XMas tree look like, or you would like to look?

  by blondie in

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  "I just hate Xmas!"

  Why?
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  What is the meaning of true spirituality?

  by ele_lux in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was trying to figure out the answer to this question when i came across my notes of a talk by the do in the 09 circuit convention.

  he said the world defined "spirituality" however it would suit them; according to their own religion.

  he gave example definitions of spirituality (being in touch with nature, spiritism, going to church and reading the bible, etc.

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  JW's believe meditation makes you vulnerable to demonic possession right? And if i were a believing witness and attended a meditation session where someone started acting strange, i would find confirmation to that belief, right? So how can someone know whether it's a demon or just supressed pain surfacing?
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  What is the meaning of true spirituality?

  by ele_lux in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was trying to figure out the answer to this question when i came across my notes of a talk by the do in the 09 circuit convention.

  he said the world defined "spirituality" however it would suit them; according to their own religion.

  he gave example definitions of spirituality (being in touch with nature, spiritism, going to church and reading the bible, etc.

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  Satanus- what do you mean by "spiritual practice"?
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  A sense of displacement--holidays and what not

  by sd-7 in

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  some days it's a sense of almost temporal displacement--perhaps the belief that someone went back in time and changed something, so that this moment is not what it was meant to be.

  other days it's a literal displacement, waking up alone, since i move too much in my sleep and it became clear that i should sleep separately from my wife.

  anyway, i feel this odd, hollow sense of sadness.

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  I'd been toying with the idea of getting myself a christmas tree someday. Then I realized I wouldn't know what to do about it. What do they put them up for? And christams parties, i have no idea what would be expected of me in one. It's a great idea of darkuncle's to spend time with non-JW's family over the holidays, though. I guess they could teach me to enjoy instead of judge everyone around me at Christmas :)