Posts by eric356

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Bethel Speaker / GB Talks

by eric356 in

back when i was in, i remember that a lot of the "friends" used to pass around bootleg cds or .mp3s of talks by bethel speakers and such.

does anyone have any of these that are relatively new or know where they could be found?

there's some on http://www.jwbrothers.org/ but i'm looking mostly for recent stuff.

eric356

Thanks, but I've listened to that one. Actually, the jwbrothers.org site is better than I thought but takes a bit of searching.

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Bethel Speaker / GB Talks

by eric356 in

back when i was in, i remember that a lot of the "friends" used to pass around bootleg cds or .mp3s of talks by bethel speakers and such.

does anyone have any of these that are relatively new or know where they could be found?

there's some on http://www.jwbrothers.org/ but i'm looking mostly for recent stuff.

Back when I was in, I remember that a lot of the "friends" used to pass around bootleg CDs or .mp3s of talks by Bethel speakers and such. Does anyone have any of these that are relatively new or know where they could be found? There's some on http://www.jwbrothers.org/ but I'm looking mostly for recent stuff.

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WTS: creative days took aeons - WT Feb 15th, 2011

by undercover in

there's already a couple of threads discussing this particular issue of kool-aid version of the wt, but i just had to start another after reading about the creative days mentioned in this issue.. we debate from time to time if the wts has ever officially retracted their doctrine that the earth and all things created are less than 50,000 years old.

there's been some quotes that show them waffling on the age of the planet itself but still sort of holding to the notion of all creation happening within a defineable 7 day period.

how long is a creative day?

eric356

Well, the young earth "fundamentalist" notion that the Earth is only 6000 years old is crazy and unscientific, we believe in aeons! But remember, evolution is atheistic propaganda!

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Can the existence of God be proved through scientific inquiry?

by caliber in

below are thoughts from the posted web site... i am interested in how those who put full faith in the scientific method would answer.. can the existence of god be proved through scientific inquiry?

can playing the board game monopoly prove whether charles darrow or lizzie magie invented the game?

can assembling a puzzle of the mona lisa prove the existence of leonardo da vinci?

eric356

caliber - Sorry for any offense, but your manner of posting on the first page of this thread is indistinguishable from trolling. If you start a post on a forum full of right-wingers with "I would like to know how a bunch of rural hicks think about this subject" you're not really fostering constructive discussion. The same goes for your introductory sentence. Further, most of your early responses were gleeful little one-liners that erected new strawmen and didn't actually contain any new information.

bohm - I agree with you that God or anything supernatural is not scientific because it has no explanatory power and is does not make testable predictions. But I think you get off track with your "cheese moon" example. If this did happen to the moon, it would be very strange. It may imply that something "beyond the universe" is acting in the world. However, that's as far as one could go. The universe may be a simulation running on a super-intelligent alien's computer. Or any other crazy idea. We could say "the moon is now cheese" but explaining how or what supernatural things caused it is impossible. How would you know that turning the moon to cheese is something God would do? How does his supernatural causation work to influence the universe? How do you know it's any particular God, and not a supernatural pickle? (since no one knows what a supernatural pickle would do)

If someone came up with a robust way to describe supernatural agents, their motivations, how they act, and their relationship with the universe, then you could study them scientifically. Basically, the supernatural would become "natural".

God could prove himself by some sort of personal revelation, but this would not be testable, and it's really hard to tell the difference between mental illness and some supposed supernatural communication.

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Stephen Hawkings is a nutter for believing in a fantasy

by Mad Dawg in

stephen hawkings from here:.

in the grand design we explain why, according to quantum theory, the cosmos does not have just a single existence, or history, but rather that every possible history of the universe exists simultaneously.

we question the conventional concept of reality, posing instead a "model-dependent" theory of reality.

eric356

Yeah, Hawkings is a total idiot. It's not like he's ever done significant work in cosmology or is very familiar with the concepts and mathematics that he's talking about. *sarcasm*

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Feb. 15 Study WT - More creationism and stupidity - A response

by eric356 in

well, the wt is back on it: "today, there is a rising tide of atheistic and evolutionist propaganda dependent on flawed and baseless reasoning.

we should not let this flood of faulty thinking confuse or intimidate us.

" (pg.

eric356

I'd be happy to see it here on this forum.

Apparently you can't actually read, because that's basically what I've done.

Evolution cannot be proven. If you have irrefutable evidence of macro-evolution present it.

So you know it cannot be "proven", but you still want to see evidence. Self contradiction much?

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Feb. 15 Study WT - More creationism and stupidity - A response

by eric356 in

well, the wt is back on it: "today, there is a rising tide of atheistic and evolutionist propaganda dependent on flawed and baseless reasoning.

we should not let this flood of faulty thinking confuse or intimidate us.

" (pg.

eric356

lolwut?

If you haven't denied it, it's almost as good as true! And even if you have, you might just be covering up the truth. (Let me get my chalkboard and explain...)

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Feb. 15 Study WT - More creationism and stupidity - A response

by eric356 in

well, the wt is back on it: "today, there is a rising tide of atheistic and evolutionist propaganda dependent on flawed and baseless reasoning.

we should not let this flood of faulty thinking confuse or intimidate us.

" (pg.

eric356

notverylikely - Yeah, I know. It's a compromise between overall aesthetics, and how readable it is on a computer. Single column takes more many pages because the font has to be larger to keep a single line from being too long for the eye to follow. It also makes embedding figures difficult. The scrolling thing is especially bad for those with small monitors with a 16:9 aspect ratio (like a laptop). Glad to hear you enjoy it. I'll check to see again how a single column looks.

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Feb. 15 Study WT - More creationism and stupidity - A response

by eric356 in

well, the wt is back on it: "today, there is a rising tide of atheistic and evolutionist propaganda dependent on flawed and baseless reasoning.

we should not let this flood of faulty thinking confuse or intimidate us.

" (pg.

eric356

You can't prove it?

You can't read?

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Feb. 15 Study WT - More creationism and stupidity - A response

by eric356 in

well, the wt is back on it: "today, there is a rising tide of atheistic and evolutionist propaganda dependent on flawed and baseless reasoning.

we should not let this flood of faulty thinking confuse or intimidate us.

" (pg.

eric356

believeingexjw - Since you act like a troll, I'm not going to spend to much time with you. Did you read my essay? I don't think 2 minutes was enough time.

How about you explain exactly what you're looking for "proof" for, then I can see if you actually know what you're talking about.