Posts by FifthOfNovember

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How will the "new earth" be cleaned up ?

by man in black in

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i remember reading about the after effects of armageddon throughout the years, how the birds and beasts will ,eat their fill of the dead bodies.. pictures in the books and magazines showing how people will be destroyed by fire, weather, and earthquakes.

then reading a real insightful post somewhere on this site which was titled something along the lines of "diary of an armageddon survivor".. but now that i have left this religion, i have never really understood accurately just how the wt society believes that the earth will be cleaned up right after the big a.. when the witnesses were studying with my parents back in the mid 70's the po had the idea that god would somehow use matter/antimatter to clean up all of the bodies.

animals eating them all was another point, and the one where survivors would actually have to go around and bury them all was just totally bizzare to me.. (watch the series band of brothers, episode titled "why we fight" this is where the soldiers find a concentration camp,,,, it is a very frightening thing to watch to believe that god would make rightous survivors spend time doing this in the paradise cleaning up without looking for survivors.

FifthOfNovember

"back in the mid 70's the po had the idea that God would somehow use matter/antimatter to clean up all of the bodies."

Ugh! It drives me crazy when they try to sound scientific when they have no idea what they are talking about.

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horseman in Egypt

by man in black in

watch from 1:22 on,,,,.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwqkoj9sxkg&feature=related.

FifthOfNovember

Looks like it was edited in.

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An interesting weekend. :D

by FifthOfNovember in

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on friday it was about 70 where i live, so my cousin (who is an unbaptised j-dub) and i decided to play some tennis.

as we were walking out of a store (we were looking for tennis balls) i see two older j-dubs driving by, staring at us.

i havn't been to the meetings in months and i think they were shocked to see me with a beard.

FifthOfNovember

On Friday it was about 70 where I live, so my cousin (who is an unbaptised J-dub) and I decided to play some tennis. As we were walking out of a store (we were looking for tennis balls) I see two older J-dubs driving by, staring at us. I havn't been to the meetings in months and I think they were shocked to see me with a beard. We got into my cousin's car and as they turned down the street (they could still see us, and they were still staring) I started waving frantically and my cousin waved too, and they waved back. :D

And on Saturday morning, I was laying in bed reading "The God Delusion" when I thought I heard some voices in my kitchen. So I opened my bedroom door and heard two J-dubs talking to my mom. One was an elder. So I put on some sweatpants, went to the bathroom quick, and made my way to the kitchen because I figured this could be interesting. Anyway, I get out there and make some small talk about the weather, and then the elder was like "We were placing these books today, you might find the chapter "Does science prove the Bible wrong" interesting." Then he mentioned (didn't offer) about the magazine on atheism and said it had some interesting articles too, but I read that one before anyway. So I took the book, they left, read that chapter, and could argue against pretty much every "proof" of creation and the flood in that chapter.

But the reason why they left me that specific book was because I explained to them a few months back how I don't believe in creation and that I believe science makes much more sense than the Bible. And I'm sure my cousin has told them I don't believe in god anymore so that's probably why the magazine on atheism was mentioned. I used to be paranoid about witnesses just stopping by/seeing them in general and now I think it's the funniest thing ever. :D

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Is there a Logical explanation for the spooky things happening at my daughter, Ali's house?!?!!!!

by coffee_black in

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ok.... looking for some logical explainations.... my daughter, ali, who i've been posting about on the forum...who has developed congestive heart failure.... has had some spooky experiences lately in her house.

here are a few of the things that happened:.

about a month ago, ali and her son david, heard noises from the attic above ali's bedroom...that sounded like something was being dragged across the attic floor.

FifthOfNovember

There is a logical explanation for everything. Just because something can't be explained doesn't mean there is a supernatural cause. I think you may just be causing yourself unneeded paranoia. :)

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Did you Fade Gradually or Stop Attending Meetings Quickly ? Reasons ?

by flipper in

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been thinking about this and curious about what makes us all come to the decisions we came to in our fade/exiting the jw organization.. i think for myself having been born-in & raised a jw my doubts about the generation doctrine had simmered for years within me quietly and by the time i finally left in 2003 i had reached my breaking point.

also seeing unjust treatment of rank & file witness ( myself included ) just propelled me into my decision even quicker.

so - one day after meeting with 3 elders in a back room before a meeting and seeing their judgmental aggression towards me - i just told myself " enough is enough ".

FifthOfNovember

I stopped all at once. I was having doubts for months and missed one meeting (even though I skipped quite a bit) for whatever reason a few months back. Skipped the next meeting, said I'd go to the next one, skipped that one, said I'd go to the next, etc. My mom (who is not a JW) asked if I was quitting and I never really answered her for a few weeks. Then she asked again and I told her that I didn't have any intentions of going back and I was atheist. She was surprised at first but didn't really care. I think she was just surprised because everyone always assumed I would be going to the KH for life. Now that I've stopped my life has been great!

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Since I've left "the truth"...

by FifthOfNovember in

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i've gotten a girlfriend.. i've grown a nice beard.

(still in progress).

i no longer am paranoid about being caught doing something "wrong.".

FifthOfNovember

I've gotten a girlfriend.

I've grown a nice beard. (still in progress)

I no longer am paranoid about being caught doing something "wrong."

I am fully celebrating Christmas.

I have a better social life. (No meetings to take time away from friends and family)

I feel free.

I feel happier than I've ever been.

I'd just like to thank the people on this site. If it wasn't for JWN I'd still be miserable going to the meetings. Reading your experiences gave me the courage to tell the JDubs and my family (non-JDubs) I was atheist. And since then my life has been wonderful. Thank you and happy holidays!

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Holiday field circus: From both sides of the door

by WTWizard in

here is what it is like to those on the inside of the door:.

the children got up about an hour earlier than normal.

obviously, they are anxious to start opening up the presents under the tree (and most children are not going to want to sleep in on christmas morning).

FifthOfNovember

I never went out on holidays. I hated the idea of disturbing people when they just want to celebrate with their family and have a nice time.

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Oh No!!! A Witness saw me buying a Christmas tree

by will_the_apostate in

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doing the black friday shopping with the family and we were picking up one of those nice prelit fake trees and standing right next to me was a local brother who i had grown up with staring at me.

i just smiled my biggest apostate smile and walked away... i wonder if the elders will call on me soon..

FifthOfNovember

ShirleyW, not everyone can tell off people they've known and were friends with for years. If a person has been taught for their whole life that something is wrong of course they are going to be worried if an elder sees them.

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Stories thread!

by FifthOfNovember in

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i love reading peoples funny stories, angry stories, fading stories, quitting stories, etc, etc...i'm running out of old threads to find them on so i thought i'd start one.

some of mine:.

a few years ago i gave an experience on stage about how i came into the truth and why since it was a struggle i suppose.

FifthOfNovember

When I was smaller (10 or so) I had pizza (two slices) for breakfast. I was running late for the meeting so my mom (non-JW) drove me there and dropped me off. On the way I felt a little weird but didn't think anything of it. Anyway, I get to the KH, sit down with the person studying with me (who was sitting in the back, luckily) and payed attention for about 15 minutes. Then I started to feel like I was going to vomit. I get up, walk a few steps, then run, to the bathroom. Immediately after opening the bathroom door I puke pizza EVERYWHERE.

I started panicking then realized I had to puke some more. I try walking towards the stall and SLIP IN MY OWN PUKE! I look back before I land on my back in all this vomit and find one spot where there was no puke. And some how I manage to catch myself before covering myself in vomit. I then proceeded to go to the toilet and puke two more times.

At this point, I didn't have to puke anymore. I then looked down at the mess I created. It was ALL OVER the floor, garbage can, and splashed up the walls a few inches. I was freaking out. I tried to get some paper towels and clean it up and realized there was no point. Then, while I was standing there feeling hopeless, someone visiting our hall tried to open the door! I blocked it with my foot and said, "Get _______ (my study conductor)", he saw the orange and chunky pizza vomit all over and his eyes got huge and said "Oh!"

Soon, the guy I was studying with came to the bathroom and saw it. He looked so depressed at first because he knew he'd be the one cleaning it up. Then his wife drove me home. I got home, told my mom the story and she just laughed her ass off.

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CO visit soon. Haven't been to meetings for a few weeks.

by FifthOfNovember in

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it's been a few months since i've been out in service and almost a month of no meetings.

the co is visiting soon and i'm already paranoid enough about random stops by elders (although this hasn't happened yet).

should i worry when the co is here?.

FifthOfNovember

Here's my story if this helps anyone or if anyone is curious.

In elementary school my cousin, who was also very young, started having a Bible study. It looked fun so I asked for one too. Started studying, and eventually became an unbaptized publisher (while still in elementary school). I had no close relatives that went to the meetings except my cousin, grandmother (who passed away 6 years ago), and great aunt. I would often get rides to the meeting from someone in the hall. I regularly attended meetings and field service, commented, and eventually began giving Bible readings, and then #4 (now #3) talks. People in my own hall though I was baptized sometimes. (see "Stories Thread!" for a funny story regarding that)

I guess I have been living a double life for most of my life because I have "worldly" friends, play M rated video games, watch R-rated movies, swear, party sometimes, somewhat celebrate holidays and birthdays, etc. I'm pretty much a normal teenager outside of the Kingdom Hall. My sophomore year of high school I began having doubts about god and by the beginning of my senior year I considered myself atheist. I haven't told anyone yet, not even my "worldly" friends. My plan of escape from the JW's was college but I stopped going to the meetings about a month ago so I guess I started early.

I know most people have it way harder than me and I'm sure they wonder what I'm so concerned about since I'm not baptized and don't really have anything to lose. I can't imagine how hard it must be for people who are baptized with all their family in the truth. I have it extremely easy compared to most of you but out of my own life experience this is one of the hardest things I've done.