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Pionsneer/Kingdumb Hell/Washtowel and Asleep/Gibbering Body/Ass'emblies/Elderettes/Boasting Sessions

by jookbeard in

also the world wide paedophile fund, have i missed any?.

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One we used on a local level.....Poo...Presiding Outback Oversearer

This one[a little off track]...a call who would take any and all literature...OMG....Outback Magizine Gatherer

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was thinking about a couple famous quotes...

by cptkirk in

and how they might pertain to the wt.

1. grover norquist - "i don't want to abolish government.

i simply want to reduce it to the size where i can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub.".

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An Aussie Prime Minister summed up life in the Borg [in contrast to life as a Christian] when he said [ not sure if he was first; but is remembered here for it]

'Life wasn't meant to be easy'. FF

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How Have you Counted your time for Pioneering?

by jehu or jehonadab in

just woundering how have you counted your time in field service especially if you were pioneering?.

would like to see if any of you were on the same page as i was.

with so much to do, like reading all the watchtower and awake each month and the bible reading each week.

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JOJ thought you might find it interesting to readhow Jehovah first set the FS hours

These expressions of God's will by his King and through his established agency constitute his law or rule of action for the "faithful and wise servant" and for their goodwill companions today who will dwell upon the earth for ever in the New World. The Lord breaks down our organization instructions further and makes them more practicable by further instructing us through his "faithful and wise servant". He says, 'Let us assign the field, the world, to special pioneers, regular pioneers and companies of Jehovah's witnesses in an orderly way, sufficient for everyone to thoroughly witness therein, and let us place upon each one the responsibility of caring for the New World interests in these respective asmgnments.' He says the requirements for special pioneers shall be 175 hours and 50 back-calls per month, which should develop into a reasonable number of studies; and for regular pioneers150 hours and as many back-calls and studies as can be properly developed during that time. And for

company publishers he says, 'Let us make a quota of 60 hours and 12 back-calls and at least one study a week for each publisher.' These directions come to us from the Lord through his established agency directing what is required of us; and, for those who really love the Lord and are guided by his counsel, that is a reasonable service requirement. This expression of the Lord's will should be the end of all controversy. It is for your good that these requirements are made; for thereby you are enabled to prove your integrity and magnify the Lord's name. These directions from the Lord come to us as individuals

and as collective units called "companies". Almost everyone who is consecrated to the Lord recognizes that a company requires organization in order to function properly, but not all of these same brethren appreciate the fact that they as individuals require just as complete an organization to carry out their individual responsibilities as the company does. To illustrate: All realize that every company should have a definite assignment of territory in which to witness, but not all appreciate that each individual in

that company should have his or her own personal assignment of territory in which to witness. It is just as foolish for a publisher to conclude that he can serve the Lord properly without a personal assignment as it would be for a company to decide that it could function acceptably to the Lord without a territory assignment. A company is required to have an assignment and to systematically work in it from house to house, make back-calls, conduct book studies, and generally aid the people of good-will.

The time has come when each one must bear his own burden fully before the Lord. With the provisions that the Lord has now made in supplying us with new books, question booklets which contain complete instructions for properly carrying on a study, etc., there is absolutely no excuse for anyone, man or woman, to claim to be unable to accept an individual territory assignment and assume full responsibility for it. Those who really love the Lord and are fighters for the New World will not try to excuse themselves on that or any other ground, but will hear the Word "of the Lord when he says, Let us do thus and so, and always keep m mind the us includes the Lord, who will be with you in every undertaking.~Matthew 18: 20.

The Lord through his "faithful and wise servant" now states to us, "Let us cover our territory four times in six months." That becomes our organization instructions and has the same binding force on us that his statement to the Logos had when he said, 'let us make man in our image." It is our duty to accept this additional instruction and obey it. But someone will say, "The conditions are different. In the case of the Logos, he could accomplish what Jehovah commanded him to do; but when it comes to covering our territory four times in six months, that is out of all reason. We have never covered it more than once or, at the most, twice in six months. It just can't be done." We have all heard that argument before. And if it were true it would look bad indeed, and would imply that the Lord was asking us to do something that is impossible for us to accomplish. The children of Israel walked around Jericho seven times the last day.

The territory now being covered one to two "times in six months could very easily be covered four to six times in the same period if everyone took his Kingdom responsibilities seriously. This is not theory.... To do this may mean taking time and effort that is now being devoted to "old world" interests and transferring them to New World interests, which are of God and shall abide for ever. WT43 7/1 p206-7

24 Many individuals are in slavery to their employer or their business. They feel that their obligations go beyond the hours of work....WT 59 5/1 p267

The Bible does not prescribe a set number of hours that we must reserve for worship each week. Aw 4/08 p20 . FF

Does this mean D Os might stand for.

by fadinfast in

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friends

discouraging others .

'then stephen lett announced that the governing.

body will arrange for shepherding.

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Discouraging Others

'Then Stephen Lett announced that the Governing

Body will arrange for shepherding

visits to be provided for district overseers

and their wives in the United States.'

Wt 11 8/15 p21

Are they becoming part of "the mummers out of Eygpt" that was talked about at that meeting, but not written about I notice. Or from our view point 'conscious class' we can but hope! FF

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Ray Franz wrote in ISOCF p.195/6

by fadinfast in

ray franz wrote in isocf p.195/6 with all his usual astute observation.

"heavy loads"-why heavy?.

jesus said of the religious leaders of his day, "they tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.

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Ray Franz wrote in ISOCF p.195/6 with all his usual astute observation

"Heavy Loads"-Why Heavy?

Jesus said of the religious leaders of his day, "They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them."9 "Why a burden." Many of the traditions involved simple things such as washing of hands, of plates and cups. Others simply called for not doing certain things, such as refraining from specific acts on the Sabbath that traditional rulings of the religious leaders categorized as "work" or labor.10 What, then, was so burdensome about washing one's hands or refraining from certain work?

It was that their righteousness was being judged on this basis. It was not the mere doing or not doing that produced such an oppressive weight. It was having to conform to the standards of imperfect men, standards imposed on them by ecclesiastical

authority. It was being made constantly aware that failure to conform would result in their devotion to God being placed in question,would result in their being viewed as lacking in faith and righteousness, as being fleshly, unspiritual persons. If they were

at all conscientious this would be painful. The effect was a hobbling and straitjacketing of their exercise of conscience. It placed them in a man-made harness as to their service to God. By submission to this, service which should have brought joy became a wearisome load fastened upon them, one from which they never seemed to gain relief. The burdensome factor lies in the significance that the organization attaches to these things, the way they are used as indicators of the genuineness of one's devotion to God.

He then went on to say 'In more recent times, the incredibly dogmatic viewpoints presented during Rutherford's time are rarely stated so brashly, in such crass terms. Yet the same basic idea is regularly expressed in a more subtle, sophisticated manner. The ultimate effect-of imposing a sense of guilt on those not complying with

all organizational arrangements-is still achieved. He then explained it in a fine way. Doing further research I found this,

'Suppose we find a person associated with the witness organization for publishing the Kingdom and he falls victim to self-admiration. He does a lot of publishing and has good records and fine accomplishments to show for it. He looks the congregation over and is tempted to think: "Well, now, I am something. I'm a pretty good publisher. I'm actually better than everybody else here." At the end of the service month, in his overflow of feelings, he forces comparisons by asking another: "How many hours did you put in, in field service this month?" The modest answer is: "I put in fifteen, and made a few back-calls." With an

air of triumph, our vainglorious brother overwhelms his fellow publisher by saying: "Well, I put in twenty-five hours" Secretly in his mind he says: "I am somebody," He circulates around the whole company. All comparisons favor him. The temptation increases upon him to think: "No joking; I am the best publisher in the whole company. Really I am, for didn't I put in more time and make more backcalls than anyone else?" And by outward facts and figures he is the best publisher in the company. But what is the trouble with this publisher? Why,

he is boasting, not on his own account, but in comparison with his brethren'. WT49 3/15 p91

BuyOuttheTimeDuringWickedDays WT 69 1/1 p27

WhyshouldChristiansvaluetimehighly? [the question]

Whatcounseldowethereforedowelltoheed?[the appeal]

InwhatwayscanJehovah'switnessesusetheirtimewisely? [the command]

Doestheproperuseoftimeallowforrestandrecreation? [soft talk but back to Christian legalities]

Howcanuseourtimeevenmorewisely?[MIND]

Whatifyouhavefailedtouseyourtimewiselyinthepast? [guilt trip]

WhatshouldbetheoutlookofdedicatedChristianministers?[CONTROL]

Howcanuseourtimeevenmorewisely? WT69 1/1 p27

Those who are Christian ministers can use their time even more wisely by improving their effectiveness in the ministry. They should not be 'beating the air.' (1 Cor. 9:26) As they become more acquainted with the Scriptures and more skilled in presenting the truth to others they will become more fruitful and so make better use of their time. After all, they do not engage in the field ministry just to report hours, but to do good, to help people see God's truth and thereby get on the road that leads to eternal life...

Whatifyouhavefailedtouseyourtimewiselyinthepast? First of all, do not waste still more time by brooding on past mistakes. Why let such worries rob you of peace of mind and contentment? Rather, call to mind that Jehovah is truly a merciful and loving God and that he will freely forgive you if you sincerely repent,

WhatshouldbetheoutlookofdedicatedChristianministers? They should always look forward to improving their worship, their Christian ministry; if not by devoting more time to it, at least by improving the quality of it.. Each one of us should want to forget the bad things that are behind.... Making wise use of the present time,..... With time running out, it is truly the time for us to be molded by God's truth so that we will bless him daily.

Don't need to point out the contradictions and mind control contained in that lot.

Just a side point, one of the positive points one can say about the org is that the proof reading was always very good, the odd grammatical miss here and there, but this one stood out, as a subheading, [Howcanuseourtimeevenmorewisely?] the writer could have put an I there, and added, I could stop writing this time wasting crap, its off the cd just wondering if the print was the same. FF

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Freedom From the Borg!!!

by Mad Sweeney in

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how does it feel to be free from the watchtower?

while you were in did you realize you were enslaved and/or mind-controlled?

now that you are out and looking back, what are your thoughts about the mind control you were under when you were in?.

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G'day MS Ive enjoyed the "bits" of your show Ive had the chance to listen to, but I was just wondering if you ae going to make the shows downloadable. Dont get alot of time on the computer to listen, but if I can put it on my Ipod i can listen to you at work. Have been able to listen to six screens confrence call , and all so Healing EXJW, who can be downloaded from Itunes podcasts which is real handy. Keep up the good work, am directing Exs and some who some who like to tell Jws the 'truth about the truth' to these broadcasts. FF

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Sheep and goats info needed!

by fadinfast in

an elderly lady/sister came to visit my wife the other day, she wasn't here so she got me instead.

this sister [late 70s early 80s] is a born in, has a husband who was an elder for many years, but is very sick now, also a daughter who was horribly [wrongfully] d/f, even by their rules, and a granddaughter in a simular situation.. at the close of our 'little chat' she was saying, "where can i flee to".

i told her that my wife and i had heeded the 'organizations own advice 'if you find your religion is lying, cheating or being deceitful or has bloodguilt, then flee from that religion'.

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JWF....Thanks for the clarification I sort of thought it must have been something like that, and for reminding me of the superior authorities, I had read that article [as I have read much on your site, love your articles, so easy to share with people] but had missed the point of it 'changing back to Christendom'. A good starting point for our next chat.

Black Sheep...You make a good point ,thanks,

Blondie....The link that Clarity gives above is the one I quoted, thank you for the 'was not future but almost over' quotes will add an other conservation point to or next chat. FF

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Sheep and goats info needed!

by fadinfast in

an elderly lady/sister came to visit my wife the other day, she wasn't here so she got me instead.

this sister [late 70s early 80s] is a born in, has a husband who was an elder for many years, but is very sick now, also a daughter who was horribly [wrongfully] d/f, even by their rules, and a granddaughter in a simular situation.. at the close of our 'little chat' she was saying, "where can i flee to".

i told her that my wife and i had heeded the 'organizations own advice 'if you find your religion is lying, cheating or being deceitful or has bloodguilt, then flee from that religion'.

fadinfast

An elderly lady/sister came to visit my wife the other day, she wasn't here so she got me instead. This sister [late 70s early 80s] is a born in, has a husband who was an elder for many years, but is very sick now, also a daughter who was horribly [wrongfully] d/f, even by their rules, and a granddaughter in a simular situation.

At the close of our 'little chat' she was saying, "where can I flee to". I told her that my wife and I had heeded the 'organizations own advice 'if you find your religion is lying, cheating or being deceitful or has bloodguilt, then flee from that religion'. I also mentioned that Jesus said, " where two are gathered in my name I am there also" so we don't feel alone. The info I am asking for comes from part of the conversation, where she said something like "they have always given truthful doctrines", I asked if she could recall any explanations where they finally went back to what Christendom had always taught, "certainly not" came the reply, I then told her about the sheep and the goats changes [from Barbara Andersons research at freeminds] which really astounded her to the point that she wants a printout of it. But she did say she didn't know that Christendom had believed that teaching for that long. So I thought I would print out a nice simple [authoritive] explanation, but I can't find one. So my request is can someone please point me to, or paste here so I can copy. Thank you in advance. Just a query about the statement in the research, it said 'Now Jehovah's Witnesses believe just like Christendom has for 2,000 years!' If Jesus was born 2011 years ago, he would have been 11 or younger when he spoke of this, is this a generalisation or am I missing something here?. FF

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8 Is there a secret formula for moving ahead with the organization?

by fadinfast in

[the last paragraph is of interest to all] but there is a basic thing we must have.. obediencethebasicfactor.

wt 6/1 1967 p337.

] often the very best and most beneficial studying you do is that done when you read a new watchtower or awake!

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No.[the last paragraph is of interest to all] But there is a basic thing we must have.

OBEDIENCETHEBASICFACTOR. WT 6/1 1967 p337

What, can we say, is the basic principle underlying the movement of Jehovah's living organization? It can be expressed in one word: OBEDIENCE. Loving obedience from the heart is all.

This is the basic formula upon which the organization rests and operates.[nothing found at Gal-5:22,23 love joy, peace, long, suffering etc no just Obedience, to what?] The power to move ahead comes by Jehovah's spirit, which he showers on his organization according to its obedience to Him [by doing what we tell you to do in His name]. This is not due to the efficiency of the members of the organization.

9 So moving ahead is not a cold, calculated thing. It is a matter of coming closertoJehovah,perfecting obedience, seeking and receiving Jehovah's spirit. We are dedicated to him, not to the organization [think Fred wrote from this point on forgetting he wrote, or forgetting the true meaning of, this sentence]. He places us in the organization where we fit, and we can fit ourselves well by obedience [ wait, you just said,' its not a cold, calculated thing' but doesn't one have to calculate to really be obedient, to fit ourselves well[up the ladder] considering the rubbish one has to endure and the b/s and the butt kissing and the..... ] .

11 Of course, effort is needed. There are four things we must do to perfect obedience that will move us ahead: (1) Study of God's Word;[a NWT translation of course and all the things Jehovah 'forgot' to write, which we have truthfully written for your benefit in our 'many publications' ] (2) zeal and effort in applying the things learned to our life and ministry; [for 'things learned' refer to our 'many publications'] (3) continually seeking and following the lead of Jehovah's holy spirit; [ please refer to our 'many publications for updated leads] (4) receiving help from other brothers in the organization. There are no shortcuts.[unless you have a heap of money to 'donate',or you are a lawyer or...]

12 How will we put these four things into effect? First, study: We may think of study as hard work, as involving heavy research. But in Jehovah's organization it is not necessary to spend a lot of time and energy in research, [ we don't want you to research to hard or to far back, could be to reveling/ embarrassing] for there are brothers in the organization who are assigned to do that very thing,[ great I'll just read the 'new light bits' and cruise along , not exerting myself in all that heavy research = nearly brain dead] to help you who do not have so much time for this,[ how did you know my circumstances?, Jehovah must be guiding you] these preparing the good material in TheWatchtower and other publications of the Society. But you do not study enough?[ sorry, is that a question or a statement, 'but do you study enough?' would be a question, 'but you do not study enough' is a statement with a question mark, I don't study much because you have told me I don't need to.] Take this suggestion: [not a hint of humility, such as, we offer this bit of advice in the hope that it may help you no, just 'take this suggestion'.] Often the very best and most beneficial studying you do is that done when you read a new Watchtower or Awake! or a new book with the joy of getting the new truths and a fresh view.[beneficial for who? Oh but I have the new Watchtower and Awake in my hand so I guess the Watchtower coffers have already benefited first] You remember the points.[read,read,read, and answer all the questions, yyyesss I remember and then..] You talk enthusiastically to others about them.[ when I don't have to do any 'hard work, heavy research study' those 'new light bits' certainly become new truths, which I will remember, and I will forget the old new truths, because I don't need to do back research because you told me I didn't need to.] So try this: Pick up each Watchtower or Awake! as it comes and read it, just for the joy and pleasure it gives.[ I see that my neighbors are going to die in the next few months, actually so is the entire street , so is the entire suburb, so is the.... except for Joe and Betty ,they are 'in the Truth', oh great joy and pleasure] Remember, you are not sitting down to study, just to enjoy the information.[good] This will increase your joy of reading and will give you incentive for more definite, organized study.[ wait let me do something you told me I didn't need to do, some 'research', or a review of what you have told me so far,1 'study Gods word' fine I enjoy reading the bible,2 I don't need to 'research' as there is brothers who will do this for me,3 you've told me I 'do not study enough',4 the very best and most beneficial studying [ which you said I didn't have to do] you do is that done when you read a new Watchtower or Awake! or a new book, 5 remember, you are not sitting down to study, so what is the end result of all this] Jehovah wants you to enjoy your study. He does not want it to be drudgery to you. He is the happy God, taking pleasure in providing all this rich spiritual food.[ see even Jehovah's confused, I'm sure he shouting at you "let your yes be yes"] -1 Tim. 1:11; Acts 20:35.

13 Second, how will you be successful in applying the things learned to your life and ministry?[ what did I learn from the bible?Jesus said "not to be going house over house, cant find 'door to door' in other translations] You may feel that your problem is the big exception.[ 'my problem is the big exception!' I think everyone has the same one, trying to decipher this xxxx] But everyone has obligations and responsibilities.[ I wonder what yours where, lets see, how to lie successfully to keep the congregation numbers growing, oh and more importantly to provide those, subtle and not so subtle, means to keep the coffers full and the brothers and sisters 'under subjection'] Adopt the positive attitude. Sit down and decide which are your main responsibilities. [but you did say 'you are not sitting down to study' and surely this is, oh hell what's the point] Then put first things first.[ great this I can do , God and Family first, "hey kids start packing the car we are going on that trip we have been going to do for the last nine months" ] This will put your conscience at ease.[yes,yes,yes] Now, if you have assignments in the Theocratic Ministry School, public talks, assistance arrangement or others, allow them their proper place. Do not keep putting them off. Count it as a privilege. It is just as important to Jehovah for you to fulfill this privilege as it is for our brothers in concentration camps to be faithful. In fact, this kind of privilege is an opportunity for you, not only to be faithful under test, but, additionally, to build up others to move ahead. Take each assignment as a stepping-stone in moving ahead with Jehovah's organization.[no,no,no! Those Assignments, hey kids unpack the car something more important has come up"]

14 Let us say, for example, that you have an assignment in the Theocratic Ministry School. Can you do a really good job in your own strength? Of course not. Here the important third requirement comes in. Pray to Jehovah for his spirit to energize your mind. God is personally interested in your moving ahead. "God . . . will himself finish your training, he will make you firm, he will make you strong." (1 Pet. 5:10) Knowing you have his backing, get down to business. Do it NOW! The present moment is golden. Once lost, it cannot be regained. Start your mind to working. The worry about things not done is much more burdensome than the doing of them. So begin to put down your thoughts on paper, however scattered they may seem to you. [ "sorry kids I cant come and play ball right now I have an assignment to do NOW"!] Now you have something to work with; you begin to feel that the load is lighter.[ no] The subject shapes up in your mind.[ no,no] Many times we have had assignments that we found difficult.[ yes] We did not know where to start. [yes, yes] But we got down to work; we began taking the first steps. Soon, we got into our subject matter and found it, not only easier than we thought, but really enjoyable! [not this time] God's spirit cooperated with our willing spirit.

15 When you have really applied your mind and effort to any job, if you find that further help is needed,[yes] this is the time to call on the fourth provision, the help of others. Following this procedure, you can accomplish any theocratic assignment. [ "hello David, its xxxx, I'm working on an assignment and I was wondering if...oh I see you have to visit that sister out of town with your family, no worries mate have a good one". "hello Jack, its xxxx, I'm working on an assignment and....you and the family got to visit a sick aunty, no worries mate have a good one"]. The seeming mountain will become a series of small stones. [the 'series of small stones' are cementing themselfs to my mountain and becoming larger and large ahhhhhhh!]

Now we come to the most interesting part of this 'assignment', and I feel sure that it is something that many have been looking for, or wondering about, and it's the question that is in the title, 'Is there a "secret" formula for the organization?. Fred must have laughed when he wrote this wondering how long before someone worked it out. In paragraph 8 he wrote this, 'This might be made clearer by an illustration. When we look at the universe we are amazed at its complexity. It puts us in awe. Yet we see so much orderliness. This led scientists to believe that there is some simple, basic formula underneath it. They found that all matter in the visible universe is composed of energy, and this relationship between energy and matter can be expressed by the simple formula E = mc 2'' .

So there it is, simply this:

Effort/Energy spent/= Money Collecting/cumulating/comingin. squared.

FF

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What attention needs to be given to the equipment we use in the witness work? KM 95/3 question box

by fadinfast in

1 although having an appropriate scriptural presentation in mind, a publisher of the good news might be unprepared when it comes to the equipment he uses.

when at the door, he may not have the current literature offer.

[ make sure you buy your obligatory mags before you leave the kingdom hall] the magazines, brochures, and tracts in his witnessing case may be wrinkled or tattered.

fadinfast

Here is a few more 'bumper stickers' that came to mind.

JW Community Service

We have removed all rubbish in your neighbourhood; now please receive it back in a printed form.

Jehovah's organization is on the march with marvelous prospects. If you truly appreciate Jehovah's organization, you will direct others to it enthusiastically.If you are practicing true Christianity, you have found the organization that is educating persons for life eternal.WT 73 7/1 p406 par 23-24

I have the sticker above to remind myself what I am doing here.

'The Watchtower 130+ years, of Wisdom and Wise and Words'

IF YOU stop breathing air, you will die in a few minutes. If you stop drinking water, you will die in a few days. If you stop eating food, you will die in a few weeks. If you stop feeding on Jehovah's spiritual provisions, then when you die you will be dead, forever.

Wt87 10/1 p10

'The Watchtower 130+ years, of Neighborly Love'

Only Jehovah's Witnesses, those of the anointed remnant and the "great crowd," as a united organization under the protection of the Supreme Organizer, have any Scriptural hope of surviving the impending end of this doomed system dominated by Satan the Devil.

WT89 9/1 p19

'The Watchtower 130+ years, of Neighborly Love'

With what worldly corporation or business firm could you safely build a lasting future? There is none! This is no time to plan for a prosperous future in some worldly business firm or to be climbing the corporate ladder. Keep material things in their proper place. That certainly would include zealous, regular participation in the Christian ministry. It is time to preach, preach,preach the good news of God's Kingdom. WT84 7/15 p17 par9-10 FF