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  What would happen if a JW writes a book on evolution?

  by Nobleheart in

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  i don't know if that's ever happened: a jw writing a thesis, an article or even a book supporting the theory of evolution.

  i know many jw don't have the needed qualifications for the above, but let's assume someone actually did that.

  i know there are a few jw.

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  Nobleheart

  Interesting. But one can still subscribe to belief in God, as in Theistic evolution or evolutionary creation. Would that still lead to a JC, on the grounds of not being in accord with what the F&D slave are teaching?

  According to wiki article on theistic evolution, there's a statistic there showing JW are the religion with the lowest % of people agreeing that evolution is an explanation for origin of life at 8% (even that's surprising imo). The total is 48% supporting it, Buddhists being #1 with 81%.
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  What would happen if a JW writes a book on evolution?

  by Nobleheart in

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  i don't know if that's ever happened: a jw writing a thesis, an article or even a book supporting the theory of evolution.

  i know many jw don't have the needed qualifications for the above, but let's assume someone actually did that.

  i know there are a few jw.

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  Nobleheart

  I don't know if that's ever happened: A JW writing a thesis, an article or even a book supporting the theory of evolution.

  I know many JW don't have the needed qualifications for the above, but let's assume someone actually did that. I know there are a few JW

  who are professors, doctors, and so forth (although a minority).

  Would that be considered automatic DA, or do the elders have to form a JC for this matter?
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  Jesus' Physical Resurrection = Take the Ransom Back?

  by InterestedOne in

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  in my "study," we have encountered the matter of whether or not jesus' physical body rose from the dead.

  i brought up a couple of scriptures that seem to indicate physical (john 2:18-22 and john 10:17,18).

  the jw's i am "studying" with explained how, although those verses may appear to indicate physical, jesus couldn't have meant that because if he physically rose from the dead, he would have taken back the ransom.. now that i know the wt reasoning on this, can someone point me to another source, link, book, article, etc.

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  Nobleheart

  interesting perspective about those seeing the corporeal aspects of life as not being sons of the Kingdom, brings to mind Romans 8:6

  "For the minding of the flesh means death, but the minding of the spirit means life and peace."

  It is a complex issue, and definitely open to interpretation. Thanks for your feedback.
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  Jesus' Physical Resurrection = Take the Ransom Back?

  by InterestedOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in my "study," we have encountered the matter of whether or not jesus' physical body rose from the dead.

  i brought up a couple of scriptures that seem to indicate physical (john 2:18-22 and john 10:17,18).

  the jw's i am "studying" with explained how, although those verses may appear to indicate physical, jesus couldn't have meant that because if he physically rose from the dead, he would have taken back the ransom.. now that i know the wt reasoning on this, can someone point me to another source, link, book, article, etc.

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  Nobleheart

  thank you. I also appreciate we don't have complete understanding, so I can accept that.
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  Jesus' Physical Resurrection = Take the Ransom Back?

  by InterestedOne in

  1. watchtower
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  in my "study," we have encountered the matter of whether or not jesus' physical body rose from the dead.

  i brought up a couple of scriptures that seem to indicate physical (john 2:18-22 and john 10:17,18).

  the jw's i am "studying" with explained how, although those verses may appear to indicate physical, jesus couldn't have meant that because if he physically rose from the dead, he would have taken back the ransom.. now that i know the wt reasoning on this, can someone point me to another source, link, book, article, etc.

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  Nobleheart

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  Jesus' Physical Resurrection = Take the Ransom Back?

  by InterestedOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in my "study," we have encountered the matter of whether or not jesus' physical body rose from the dead.

  i brought up a couple of scriptures that seem to indicate physical (john 2:18-22 and john 10:17,18).

  the jw's i am "studying" with explained how, although those verses may appear to indicate physical, jesus couldn't have meant that because if he physically rose from the dead, he would have taken back the ransom.. now that i know the wt reasoning on this, can someone point me to another source, link, book, article, etc.

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  Nobleheart

  Interesting thread. I was reading at the posts, and something just doesn't click.

  Alright so the part about Jesus appearing in a room, crossing walls and stuff, I can believe that. (taking into account all his many miracles). But if Jesus had a body and was able to show his wounds and eat, which type of body did he have? Physical or spiritual?

  In Luke 24:39 he says: "Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have."

  So he was made of flesh and bones. Is that a physical or spiritual body?

  And another thing. If Christians who receive the resurrection or survive, will have spiritual bodies like that of Jesus' resurrected body, how come the scripture below says that 'flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom' (if Jesus said he was made of flesh and bones after being resurrected)

  1 Corinthians 15:50 says "I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable."

  It's confusing, but I'd really appreciate any comment from someone.
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  so oompa got df'd this week...

  by oompa in

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  no call to invite me to a committee meeting...no notification of deciding i should be df'd....no telling my jw wife of the announcement...not a chance to appeal what i did not even know what was going on...my mini-serve son is devasted....he even researched it....told me to go to page 153-154 of the od book...never heard of it but it is a green hardback given to all who are to be baptized.

  wow...the elders broke every rule in this book as to my case.... i have no respect for these men that can take away your jw family without even telling you they are going to.

  my jw son has now begged me to meet with my committee...even though there is prob zero chance they can reverse the decision...that chance is from when they let you know...and you have to appeal by letter within 7 days (i cant make this stuff up!!

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  Oompa i'm really sorry to read about your long series of unfortunate events. But at least you are alive and recovering!

  Please don't give up hope. If I'm correct one of your sons is not a JW, so you still have him. And hopefully your other son realizes how unfair was the m.o of the BoE. Something good might come out of all this story.
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  As an Ex-JW (or whatever you are) Tell Us Your Core Hope / Dream / Wish

  by OnTheWayOut in

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  what i ask is for some specifics.

  it helps to say it, type it, get it off your chest.

  read mine and maybe you will have a good idea what i mean.. i hope that i get my wife out of the jw's by all of the positive reinforcement i have given her to be an independent thinker.

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  Nobleheart

  Like MrFreeze said, I'd also like a happy family and kids, who can enjoy their childhood without any indoctrination.

  Hopefully more family members leave the JW cult. Even though I've been successful in making them realize that the WT isn't what they claim to be, some still continue participating until they find another alternative religion.

  And it would be great if at least 1 person, from those that I'll send in a letter before my DA; would wake up and leave the WT.
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  IT'S MY BIRTHDAY!

  by watersprout in

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  it's my birthday todaaaaayyyyy!!!!.

  carrot is making me pancakes and taking me out for lunch!

  i love my birthday, cause it's all about meeeeee!!!!!!!!.

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  Nobleheart

  Happy b-day

  Enjoy it and have fun!
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  counting time (2)

  by varian in

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  i know i m a simple mind, but if 3 jws study with a jw-child or someone else for an hour, they ll all report there own time, which will add up to 3 hours, right?

  but the real netto time spent for the study is obviously 1 hour, no matter how many jws took part.

  am i seeing a mathimatical fault?.

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  Nobleheart

  DagothUr thanks for enlightening me on the many rules of 'service'. Especially I was surprised to read about the rule that a brother and sister can't go out more than once a month. I had no idea there was a rule about that, if so where is that written?

  I ask because some months ago a brother kept on asking me to go out in service with me, and after going out like 3 times in a month he said he wanted to get to know me better. But I would have never guessed that multiple invitations to service counted as signs of interest.