Posts by Lore

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What good is punishment after you die?

by Lore in

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when your child disobeys, you punish him.

simple answer: so he will listen next time and won't disobey again.. if the child has a learning disorder and is incapable of learning from the punishment, odds are you will stop punishing him and will deal with his condition in other ways.. we punish children in order to change their behavior.

if the punishment does not promote a change in behavior the punishment is useless and possibly evil.. .

Lore

When your child disobeys, you punish him. WHY?

Simple answer: So he will listen next time and won't disobey again.

If the child has a learning disorder and is incapable of learning from the punishment, odds are you will stop punishing him and will deal with his condition in other ways.

We punish children in order to change their behavior. If the punishment does not promote a change in behavior the punishment is useless and possibly evil.

When a criminal disobeys, we punish him. Why?

Simple answer: To discourage others from doing the same thing, and possibly to convince him to not do it again.

If the man has a mental disorder and was not in control of his actions, it still does the rest of society good to lock him up or rehabilitate him so that he cannot bother us anymore with his crimes.

It doesn't do HIM any good since he won't learn from it, but it does the rest of society a benefit by removing a harmful or dangerous force from the general population.

When a person sins, god sends him to hell AFTER HE DIES. Why?

Simple answer: I have no idea.

It cannot make him change his behavior since he has already died. It's not like he can commit the same crime again if he tried since he already did it all the times he possibly could. It doesn't protect anyone from him since you let him get away with it until he died, so if he was gonna go on a murdering rampage for 40 years, punishing him AFTER the fact does no good. You should have stopped him BEFORE or DURING the rampage.

If the goal is to prevent others from sinning by his example, then it fails in that regard as well since it only happens in some other invisible dimension after he's already died. So none of us can learn from his example.

What good does it do? And by 'good' I mean: Has a generally positive benefit for some intelligent being.

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Ugly people and crimes.

by Lore in

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i like to think that i'm perfectly rational at all times.. so in the interest of making myself more awesome i'd like to admit to and try to to fix a prejudice i think i may have.

but i'd also like to make sure it's not grounded in reality.. .

so earlier i saw a story about a woman who killed her baby in the microwave.

Lore

I like to think that I'm perfectly rational at all times.

So in the interest of making myself more awesome I'd like to admit to and try to to fix a prejudice I think I may have. But I'd also like to make sure it's not grounded in reality.

So earlier I saw a story about a woman who killed her baby in the microwave. I knew before I even clicked it that she was gonna be ugly. Probably overweight and have a weird shaped face.

Sure enough, I was right.

So I realized I was a pretty prejudist in this case. Even if I was right I shouldn't have assumed in advance that she'd be ugly. So I went searching for other crazy murderers, people who kill their children, etc trying to find a picture of a good looking one. . . as of yet I have failed.

Does the media just NOT show pictures of them if they're good looking, or pick the ugliest picture possible of an otherwise good-looking murderer?

Are they ACTUALLY good looking and I simply view them as ugly after I know what they did? (Maybe her super big forehead, asymetrical nose and far apart eyes are beautiful if you don't know what she did.)

Are ugly people really more likely to commit horrible crimes for whatever reason?

What am I missing here?

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KH = Private Property (No Trespassing sign)... wtf?

by Scully in

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do other churches have "no trespassing" signs on the grounds?.

i don't recall ever seeing "private property - no trespassing" signs on other churches, especially ones that have a priest or minister available at all hours, or ones that offer space for community services or other kinds of events.. i wonder whether there is some kind of legal expectation of a charitable organization that pays no taxes to offer access for community services in order to maintain their tax free status.. anyone else ever see signs like this on kh property?.

Lore

These guys put up a 'no tresspassing' sign, and expect people to obey it - but when they go door-knocking and see the very same sign in someone's yard... they can ignore it?

I know that's how it used to be. But lately, at least in my hall, if you see a no trespassing sign you absolutely do NOT ignore it.

Although we live in some backwater mountain country where every 10 year-old gets a rifle for christmas, so that might have something to do with our different policies.

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So I am possessed am I?

by trailerfitter in

well after a long spell of silence, i managed to get into a discussion about what happens when i get angry in the heat of the moment arguements with my jw wife.

i did have and arguement with my partner and ended up throwing something on the floor as i was very wound up.

(it is much better to express my anger this way than to hurt anyone).

Lore

What the hell are the WT teaching their followers about modern medical practices??

They teach them that taking blood is evil but if you split it up into a bunch of smaller parts first it might be ok. . . that's pretty much the limit of the WT teachings about modern medicine.

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What scripture do the JWs use to justify not partaking of the bread and wine?

by Caedes in

i don't have any jw reference books or cds apart from a copy of the nwt.. can anyone tell me what scriptures the jws use to justify not partaking of the bread and wine at the memorial?.

terry mentioned this topic in a thread which i wouldn't want to derail..

Lore

There is no single scripture which they use. There's a bunch all put together.

1st: 1 Corinthians 11:27 "So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord."
This scripture shows that SOME people are not worthy to partake. So there must be some kind of qualifications.

2nd: Luke 22:20 Jesus says: This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.
So the people who are part of the new covenant should partake.

3rd: Luke 22:29 "And I confer on you a kingdom, just as my Father conferred one on me"
They say THIS is the new covenant. That they rule in the 'kingdom'

4th: Daniel 2:44 "God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people."
They believe that this is the 'kingdom' Jesus was talking about.

5th: Revelation 5:10 "You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign over the earth"
So they think this meens that the ones in the new covenant are eventually gonna reign over the earth in the kingdom.

6th: Revelation 7:9, 14 In short this says that 144,000 are gonna be ruling in the kindom in heaven over a great multitude that came out of the tribulation.

So if you put it all together it means that only the ones who are gonna rule in heaven as part of the 144,000 are part of the new covenant and therefore qualified or 'worthy' to partake.

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I am trying to figure out my future if I should go to college or just keep working a regular job...............................

by andys in

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i am faced with a dilema right now and need some advice on what i should do with my future, i realize that eventually i'll grow old and will need to somehow work my way up so i have something to fall back on, like someone told me once i don't really have a support structure to fall back on, if something happened where i could not work i would probably wind up homeless, moving back in with my parents house would be out of the question because i would never go back to the borg.. this is my situation right now, everything is going good, i love my job, i am single no kids, i work at a hosptal making $10/hour doing janitorial work, also my rent is very cheap about $350 a month for rent on a duplex, i live less then a mile from work, right now i have the most ideal situation to save alot of money even on $10/hr job, but also i realize that everything can go all at once, if i ever lost my job since i don't have no support structure and could not find work i would be sol.. now to some of the things i like doing, i like to drive, one of the things i have always wanted to do is learn truck driving, since i don't have no extra responsibilites, i am still having a hard time though making a decision, on one hand i like my current job, but on the other hand i realize that i do have to plan for the future, if anyone can give me some advice i am at a loss of what to do, also because of the way the econommy is here in the us right now sometimes i think its best to stick with the job that i have but still don't know whats best..

Lore

Do you actually have a job?

If so then you're already doing better than 9% of college graduates.

I'm not saying you shouldn't go to college. If you can, that'd be great. But don't sacrifice your current job in the process.

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"Noooooo!" George Lucas alters Star Wars yet again...

by unshackled in

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many bothans died to bring us this information.... the star wars films are about to be released on blu-ray.

and yet again george couldn't leave them alone.

for those who hated the "noooooo!

Lore

I am altering the film. . .

Pray I do not alter it any further.

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WT Nov. 1, 2011 (public) - When Was Ancient Jerusalem Destroyed - Part 2

by AnnOMaly in

out now.. yes, yes, yessssss!

on p. 26-27 they talk about how the lunar positions on vat 4956 fit 588/7 bce!!!.

"clearly, much of the astronomical data in vat 4956 fits the year 588 b.c.e.

Lore

So. . . Calculating the time based on the position of the moon, but not taking into account where the planets where.

Isn't that a bit like calculating the the time of day by the minute hand but disregarding the hour?

"Well the minute hand was in this position at 12:31 which seems to coincide with scientists theories about the time of Kennedy's assassinatoin but our research has shown that it was also in this same position at 10:31 only 2 hours earlier." *

*Because the location of the hour hand is open to speculation and multiple opinions the hour hands position was not
used to pinpoint the time of the assassination in our study.

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A Tax on Street Hookers - Whatever next? LOL

by mummatron in

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14730704.

german city of bonn taxes prostitutes with meterthe prostitution meter is said to be the first of its kindthe german city of bonn has installed a meter to tax prostitutes for soliciting on its streets at a rate of six euros (5.30; $8.70) per night.. those who fail to pay face fines or even a ban, and 264 euros were found in the meter when it was first emptied, according to afp news agency.. tax has been levied on prostitutes elsewhere but bonn is the first city to use a meter, a spokeswoman said.. but a prostitutes' rights activist said the scheme amounted to double taxation.. prostitutes are expected to pay the flat rate, regardless of earnings.. the machine, which looks like an ordinary parking meter, has been installed in an industrial area near the city centre which favoured by prostitutes and their clients.. 'consummation areas'.

isabelle klotz, a spokeswoman for the city, said they expected to get about 200,000 euros per year from the meter.. the "consummation areas" are wooden cubicles designed to screen cars"women who work in brothels also pay the tax but until now it had been difficult to get women on the street to pay," she added.. "thanks to this new method we will be able to tax them in all fairness with the others.".

Lore

Eh-Whaaa?

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Face Recognition in a Crowd. Scary Stuff.

by finallysomepride in

this is the crowd before the riot in canada.

put your cursor anywhere in the crowd and double-click a couple of times and then use the roll button in the centre of your mouse.

this is pretty amazing.

Lore

Found waldo.

It'd be so awesome if she put waldo in there somewhere!