I remember years ago we were only suppose to invite bible studies and interested ones to the memorial. Then it changed. Invite everybody!! I never understood that. Jesus only had his very close followers---the apostles. Now its get everyone to attend. Borg likes big numbers. Go in service and invite ones you meet without having a proper chance to explain it all and know if they understand or not. Maybe part of the reason for more partakers. I don't know.
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2010 Partakers number is out!!!
by Hairyhegoat inhey here we go!!!.
they will need to buy some more crackers and cheap wine for next year now.
what are the borg going to concocked now to cover there ass with the number of morons going up again at the memorial 2010 ?.
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introduction
by pontoon inlozasleft said i should introduce myself.
i wasn't happy my dad got baptized because i thought it would change him and i liked him the way he was.
anyway i got baptized in 1969 at 16 yrs old mainly because i wanted to be able to date jw girls.
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Lozasleft said I should introduce myself. I'll try. WAY back in the sixties my Mom, than older sister, than father came into the truth and got baptized. I wasn't happy my dad got baptized because I thought it would change him and I liked him the way he was. Anyway I got baptized in 1969 at 16 yrs old mainly because I wanted to be able to date JW girls. I was not theocratically minded, but went through the motions, made the best of it all, had some good friends, had some good times. Growing up in NYC we had alot of bethelites in our congregation, often trying to take me "under their wing". A lot of that had to do with me having a good looking older sister. One bethelite use to take me on out of town speaking assignments. It was all good, but they were NEVER going to make a bethelite out of me. In my congregation was George Gangas, Charles Feckel, as well as other bethel heavyweights but not annointed. I knew Nathan and Audrey Knorr, (and years later knew Audrey and her second husband Glen Hyde). My two younger brothers also got baptized.
I'll fast foward---moved upstate NY near Wat farm in 1971. Still hanging on to the truth but still not very spiritual. Probably in the 1980's got more serious and made spiritual progress. Served as an elder for years but stepped down for domestic troubles. I would say fading began about 3 yrs ago. Some things that ALWAYS bothered me; 1) Jeh telling Abraham to scrafice his son, I would have said no-- take me. How could Jeh put a man through stress like that? The constant violent nature of worship, scrafices, wars, destruction. Adam dooms the whole human race to imperfection, sin, and death an Jeh lets him live for another 900 yrs, kills a guy for preventing the ark from falling. Blood doctrine which I dealt with personally. How the GB has turned themselves into Saducese and Pharisies (spelling but you know what I mean) When they started telling us how to dress even during our relax times something has gone to their heads. Not too long ago we had a Wat study about how a gecko, a rock badger, and some other critter should make us think of Jeh. Not Jehs. creative power, but his attributes. It had to be one of the most stupid things I ever read. This was real Dr. Suess but not written that good. I'm sitting in the hall thinking this is all our GB can come up with? Taking a break from the reprints this week. Then the generation thing. It has to be wrong to try to make Jesus words fit what they are teaching. The way the org. makes stuff up, like no more food service so we can concentrate on the more important spiritual things. I can guarantee those dried out hoagees were not why my mind was drifting. The real reason was improper food handling with untrained workers getting people sick and trouble with Boards of Health. Just tell us the truth. Only book a room off our list. The real reason is that is how org. gets their rooms for free. Just tell us.
Left out a whole lot, wives, jobs, illnesses.......haven't been to a meeting in months but not out yet. I'm in the same boat as a lot of you, I don't want to crush my parents.
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A FOUR LETTER WORD FOR DEBATOR
by wasblind indebator said: " coc is not the holy grail.
it is just an imperfection of men fallacy argument!
i'm surprised it still works on people.
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thank you palm tree and mad dawg
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A FOUR LETTER WORD FOR DEBATOR
by wasblind indebator said: " coc is not the holy grail.
it is just an imperfection of men fallacy argument!
i'm surprised it still works on people.
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I hope you all realize if you were still "in the truth" you could get into a WHOLE LOT of TROUBLE for talking to debator, a so called JW practicing secret sin by spending his time on this site and not following the wtower example of Mon. personal/family study night. Don't let the elders know what is going on here!! Just another quick thought--if debator knew of a bro or sis doing something wrong he/she would be the first one to tell--no doubt. HAA!!
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Violent entertainment and it's effects
by sabastious inthe watchtower has always talked about violence in entertainment.
it is one of the watchtower's historical hot topics.. and for good reason too.
virtual violent entertainment is a very new phenomenon in our world.
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I think men first became violent when God started to require animal scrafices after adam sinned. Imangine the millions of animals slaughted in the name of religion. What about in the Law Covenant stoning your mother or son or daughter or father to death for a violation of law? Not only kill the sinner, but make him/her suffer first. How about God having foolish children torn to pieces by a bear because they were disrespectful, or the guy on reflex tried to prevent the ark from falling. The worship of Jeh included violence. "Nature" is more violent than Iraq. I've turned off nature shows because I don't like seeing animals torn to shreds by other animals. I personally don't like violent entertainment just for the sake of seeing violence, but I love watching boxing. I can't figure it all out. But we were taught that we were created in God's image of God and God has no problem with violence. The bible is full of "righteous retribution".
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KM (Elder School) Brief Highlights
by XBEHERE inbesides the usual drivel there were a couple interesting things.
1. an entire 1 hour discourse on helping our children become little innocent martyrs for the wt via.
their flawed and unreasonable blood doctrine.
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Back some years ago in a elders meeting we were discussing all that new crap about transfusions, what was allowable and what was a conscience matter. Who was going to give that part on the service meeting. They wanted me to do it, maybe in part because I went through my own life-threating need a transfusion ordel, stayed faithful and survived. One brother made the comment that just because it was a conscience matter, it didn't mean whatever way you decided was OK. That would have to be stressed to the congregation. So I said if a fraction of blood is wrong, why doesn't the slave just say it is, just like they say whole blood or one of its major components is wrong? No real answers of course. I wouldn't do the talk, was already fading anyway. Even when I face the issue personally, I didn't quite get it, but I thought it must be me. Anyway I know better now.
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KM (Elder School) Brief Highlights
by XBEHERE inbesides the usual drivel there were a couple interesting things.
1. an entire 1 hour discourse on helping our children become little innocent martyrs for the wt via.
their flawed and unreasonable blood doctrine.
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You got to see it from gb point of veiw---let's see now, I don't pay taxes, don't pay electric, don't pay oil or gas, don't pay insurance, don't pay mortgage, don't pay rent, don't buy cars, don't pay for vacations, don't pay for doctors, don't pay for dentists, don't pay for eyeglasses, don't pay for food, I DO PAY for MY OWN TOOTHPASTE, all r&f needs to be just like us, what do they need a good education for anyway???????????
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KM (Elder School) Brief Highlights
by XBEHERE inbesides the usual drivel there were a couple interesting things.
1. an entire 1 hour discourse on helping our children become little innocent martyrs for the wt via.
their flawed and unreasonable blood doctrine.
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They sure don't have a problem with exploiting the knowledge and skills of those that do have higher education. Bethel doctors, dentists, nurses, engineers, architects, lawyers, lawyers, lawyers, lawyers........
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JW self-defense...WT says we are too slow to use a gun!!!.......
by oompa inyou gotta read this to beleive it!.....lately my mind is teaching s we had that "went beyond what is written" and this subject on self defence has cracked me up!!
!.....you if gotta see this to believe it!....not just guns....but almost everthing is bashed...they did leave out the option of us carrying a sword o.j.
style....or a spear.....this will make my list....(and you can have no privileges if you carry a gun at work...cop or security guard).......... *** g91 7/8 p. 12 self-defensehow far can a christian go?
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I can speak about Judo. Our motto was you can run with confidence. In other words, avoid a fight if possible but you know you can take care of business at hand if you have to. The first purpose of Judo is not to hurt someone else, it's to protect self. Judo can be used completely defensely. A well trained Judo man can so competely overwhelm an attacker its likly to be over in a few seconds with the attacker needing time to get his bearings and figure out what just happened and where he is. And I'm OUT of THERE! Even so, I have a permit, a pistol, and I know how to use that too. Great previous post about selling what you have to buy a sword. Damm highway men out there.
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The organisation wants our money
by Heartofaboy inhas anyone heard that at the end of the theocratic service meeting last night the organisation asked for money, pensions, properties, shares, insurance policies in fact anything of any financial value?.
it upset some people attending the meeting.. .
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Last I heard was newest expansion at Wat. Farms included a sports and exercise building for about $3,000,000. C'mon widows, give up those coins, we need em.