Posts by Hoffnung

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The GENERATION explanation is now a BOLD FACE LIE

by scotoma in

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when i first heard about the new "generation" explanation i was confused because i didn't see clearly how they were explaining it.. now it looks like they finally figured it out for themselves and it is no longer confusing.. it is now a simple, ignorant, bold face lie.. this is from the january 1st watchtower.

(and i hope to hell someone from writing gets wind of this).

paragraph 15 page 31 blue stands for the exact words in the watchtower.

Hoffnung

In essence JW are coming from the Millerites, who did not see Jesus come in the 1800s. Instead of recognizing the failure and moving on, explanations have been cooked up to cover the unfulfilled prophecy. it is very near, already for more than 150 years...

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Best proof to give a JW that humans history is older than 6000 years?

by Mr Fool in

looking for proven evidences.

can it be proven that jerichos walls were built 8000bc?.

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Hoffnung

you would 1st have to prove that the flood was not a worldwide event, which is easy enough, and only when that hurdle is taken, you can move on

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WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TESTING WITH EVIL NAD ALLOWING OTHERS TO DO IT?

by blondie in

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*** w09 4/15 p. 6 par.

16 job held high the name of jehovah ***.

even when crushed by the news of the death of his children, job did not ascribe anything improper to god.

Hoffnung

Keep in mind it was intended as poetry

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So what exactly is GB 2.0 ?

by EdenOne in

i've seen it mentioned by several people here, this expression "gb 2.0", but somehow i'm not entirely sure what is meant with it.. i tend to read it as governing body version 2, as in "post-milton henschel governing body", that is, when the governing body became separated from the board of directors from the watchtower society, or when the wts no longer had a member of the gb as its president, i.e.

the end of the "president's era" in the wts.. is that your understanding also?.

but in that case, with the death of russel and the takeover from rutherford, wouldn't that be also a watchtower 2.0 of sorts ?.

Hoffnung

According to the "organized to be apostates" book page 0, its the generation of overlapping gb members that were appointed during the time that still some "original gb members were still serving. Original members could be Carey Barber, john barr. Overlapping members: tony the turd, sam herd, gerrit losch, david splane.

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All Things Fulffilled In The1st Century

by maccauk11 in

all things were fulfilled in the 1st century.it was obvious the messiah was talking to the people in that generation not a generation 2000 years later.. christianity has for 2000 years placed itself in the shoes of those 1st century beleivers and think all things pertainott hem today.when infact none of it does.

the prohecise of the messiah cmae true in the 1st century including revelation which is symbolic, metaphorical apocolyptic language showing all tha thad been done .

the kingdom is here.the king rules and has done for 2000 years.

Hoffnung

I agree with quite a lot of what cassuk11 wrote. The biggest problem I see, is that it is generally accepted that the book of Revelation was written in the last 5 years of the 1st century (which I am not going to doubt, there are no tangible indications that it has been written earlier). to have the letter or scroll circulated throughout the congregations would take also a considerable amount of time. hence it is logic to look towards a fulfilment somewhere around 125 AD. The only candidate for this, would be the more complete destruction of Jerusalem in 132 AD I believe. Apparantly it was that bad that the romans had a plow going over the remains of Jerusalem. It also at this point that christians got thrown out of the synagogues. Unfortunately this period is less documented than the destruction in 70.

However I believe also that the return of Jesus happened in 70, and that God stopped his detailed dealings with humans latest about 60 years later. Death has been overcome by resurrection, and not by eternal life in the flesh or by lifting of bodies into heaven. The Kingdom was founded at or around pentecost 33, there is no reason whatsoever that it should not have happened very shortly after the ransom was paid. There is absolutely no foundation whatsoever to project any of this to our time. Unfortunately we are just humans with a mortal body, that can get a resurrection into a spritual one, which implicates we will live our lives until we die, and only then can enter the spiritual realm as described in the bible. Big daddy is not going to come to miracoulously intervene in our life time to give us an eternal life on this planet.

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Twin Explosions at Boston Marathon

by BizzyBee in

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/15/boston-marathon-explosion_n_3086665.html.

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right at the finish line - seems too coincidental to be anything other than a purposeful act.

Hoffnung

Looks more like homegrown act of terror to me. Or if from foreign ground, I would expect some irish issue or so, not from islamic fundies. But my guess is as good as yours. Sad and tragic for the people involved.

Hoffnung

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3rd Oil Spill This Week

by designs in

exxon, shell, and canadian pacific railway all had oil spills reported this week.

exxon and shell's oil spills were from ruptured pipelines and canadian pacific had a railcar accident.. the exxon spill flooded streets and the yards of homes outside of little rock arkansas and the shell spill occured outside houston texas near the vince bayou.

residents of the little rock community never knew that high pressure pipelines ran under their homes which is a disturbing fact being discovered more and more.

Hoffnung

My working area is aircraft maintenance, and more particularly the organizing and recording of it. If there is anything you can take away from this, than it is most certainly that for any known continuous hazard, which is often unavoidable,you need a maintenance program to bring it under control, a schedule of inspections and other maintenance actions ( like replacing filters and verifying the operation of valves) that have to be done at periodic intervals. The historic record of decreasing aircraft accidents demonstrate it pays off, despite an exponential increase of aircraft movements. The absence of an adequate maintenance program always leads to disasters. Some big oil corporations have not yet learned their lessons and will have to foot a huge bill for this, let alone the local people and the fauna and flora involved, who might have to pay with their lives. quite unacceptable. The incidents reported in the last few weeks certainly could be avoided, and the companies involved have the money to do what is necessary.

Hoffnung

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3rd Oil Spill This Week

by designs in

exxon, shell, and canadian pacific railway all had oil spills reported this week.

exxon and shell's oil spills were from ruptured pipelines and canadian pacific had a railcar accident.. the exxon spill flooded streets and the yards of homes outside of little rock arkansas and the shell spill occured outside houston texas near the vince bayou.

residents of the little rock community never knew that high pressure pipelines ran under their homes which is a disturbing fact being discovered more and more.

Hoffnung

It is not against the presence of pipelines, it is about knowing they are there and their inherent potential dangers (also called risks), which you then can inquire about. Certainly all off these spills could be avoided or brought under control motre efficiently, had there been adequate maintenance. if you are not informed you are exposed against threats you don't want to be exposed to.

Hoffnung

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