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  Genesis account shaken!

  by exWTslave in

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  2. beliefs

  people who believe that every verse of the bible is inspired are in for a shock.

  according to genesis account, god created heavens and the earthin a one-time act.

  but an experiment conducted at the south pole, two weeks back, has caught ripples in the oldest light in the universe.

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  Hoffnung

  There are no 'records' of a global flood, nor are there any of the garden of eden. Genesis was written around 1500 BCE, most of the events described therein happened way earlier, and nobody that could have seen these events was alive when Genesis was written.

  if someone would write an unreferenced book about events from a 1000 years ago, that cannot be called 'records'. they can be called stories.

  Geologists are quite well-placed to inform us when the land mass of the earth was one continent, the drifting apart of the continents happened way earlier than 4000 years ago. The last supercontinent was called Pangaea in their terminolgy, and the final stage of breaking up into the continents of today happened 55 million years ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangaea (check for 'evidence of existence' and 'rifting and break-up')

  the practical problems with the worldwide flood account like: 'how did the animals get back to their original ground' can therefore not be solved without throwing proven scientific evidence in the bin.

  Obviously you are always free to choose to believe what you want, however it should not be called truthfull, reliable info from a divine source, if it is so easy to prove its not correct
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  Circuit Overseer wakes up, packs his bags and leaves!

  by Anony Mous in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i just heard this about a co i knew back in the day before he was even a co. he must be in his mid-late 40's now, my mother told me the story as she knows the family very well (the entire family has gone 'apostate' including several elders, circuit overseers and missionaries - this was an "example" family, always on the stage etc).. he wasn't 'feeling well' so he took time off from his co duties.

  that week he packed his suitcase, told his wife he can't do it anymore and he's leaving, leaves her the car and the house and went to live in a small apartment, bought a small car and a week later got a decent job.. this was very recent so not everybody within the org has heard yet what happened..

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  Hoffnung

  Hey AM, i know who your talking about. he used to give all the talks for younsters at the district assemblies. He never was assigned where I live, but I moved to another country more than 10 years ago. i read your life story, and we might even have met when you were still living in Belgium. I send you a PM
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  GB's letter regarding UN membership - How Do You Prove Them Wrong?

  by will-be-apostate in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was reading brant jones' experience (published on jwfacts.com).

  i read both letters: the one he wrote to the gb and the one he recieved from them.

  link: http://jwfacts.com/watchtower/experiences/brantjonesunresponse.pdf.

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  Hoffnung

  Would it be acceptable for a JW to join the Catholic Church, just to have access to some of the extensive services some of Catholic institutions provide? the answer is clearly NO.

  So no excuse is really good enough in this case. If it is acceptable for the organization to join the UN, any JW can join any other religion as well.

  And interestingly, just to prove that the organization indeed prostituted itself, and completely guilty as charged, can be revealed by doing a search in the WTLIB CD-ROM on the words "United Nations", and comparing the results between '92 and 2001 with any other similar period. it is striking how many 'positive' articles about the UN during the period 92-2001, and this almost completely stopped from 2002 onwards.
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  exJW Psychology 105--"Are You Ready for The Big A?"

  by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i don't know how many others have gotten this question that i got recently.

  i wonder if it was the co that thought this would be a great question to try to reactivate someone like me:.

  at the time, i was kinda blindsided by the question and gave just an okay response.

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  Hoffnung

  hi Billy,

  excellent way of handling this Armaggedon question. i guess something similar is going to come my way soon, with this new km article.

  Hoffnung
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  exJW Psychology 105--"Are You Ready for The Big A?"

  by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i don't know how many others have gotten this question that i got recently.

  i wonder if it was the co that thought this would be a great question to try to reactivate someone like me:.

  at the time, i was kinda blindsided by the question and gave just an okay response.

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  Hoffnung

  hi Sauloftarsus,

  welcome to this board. the ideas we were programmed to believe an defend as JW's are more deeply entrenched in us than we want to admit. please take your time to do a lot of research here, jwfacts.com and many other places on the net (by all means, consider all sides of the argument) on what you consider your belief system. after all, if it is the truth, it will stand up against all scrutiny. it can be a bumpy ride, but you will be enlightened by doing so. many others on this board like you have made the journey

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  I think my fade has hit a rut. Do I need to grow a pair?

  by konceptual99 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so here i am after about 18 months of wake up.

  the first 6 months were a rollercoster of feelings as my whole belief system unravelled.

  the last year has been more stable but things seem like they are just stalling now.. my wife is aware of many of my feelings although i have held back the fact that i am pretty close to denying all belief in any kind of god.

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  Hoffnung

  Do not underestimate the effect of feeding little nuggets one at a time. It is like removing small chips. If you have done it long enough, one small push can make the tower tumble. In the mean time it is important to be and to show you are a good husband and father, and to slosly prepare for the life beyond the watchtower, that is building a circle of non-jw friends
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  Something NEW is happening with Jehovah's Witnesses on the internet

  by Watchtower-Free in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  dramatic growth is being reported on facebook.

  groups of xjws.. .

  ex-jehovah's witness recovery group 3 admin.

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  Hoffnung

  Peak publishers is any way not real, since it includes publishers that reported too late a month earlier are counted twice (report of previous + current month). the real figure is the avarage number.
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  New! Borg instruct to report tract placements

  by pixel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there's a new letter coming up next week to be read instructing the publishers to begin reporting the number of tracts placed in the ministry, including copies of kingdom news 38, annual invitations, district handbills and other tracts.

  lol.

  see, the borg is allegue about numbers, and why on earth do they tell you to start counting placement in the middle of a campaing, like the one they are doing now witk kingdom news 38 and not before it started??.

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  Hoffnung

  an excellent way to "measure" your "spirituality", and stir up some competition among the "friends". less than a 1000 tracts last year? you are not spiritual enough for privileges.

  next year the application forms for bethel will be revised with the following question:

  "write down how many tracts you placed over the last 6 months. if it is less than 1000, explain why........."

  morale of the story: to be a publisher in good standing, you have to "place" more tracts (or throw more tracts in the bin, whatever you prefer)
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  The murmuring phase is the beginning of an ex-JWs progression towards fading.

  by Stand for Pure Worship in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i suppose part of the fascination i have with this board is, the exotic nature of those making up the member population.

  i say exotic because, as you yourselves will agree with, folks such as yourselves don't hang around the christian congregation for long upon making the decision that truth is not for you.

  (rom 1:25) this "fading" thing spoken of here likely plays a role into why christians such as me find the average ex-jw to be a bit fascinating.

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  Hoffnung

  the reasons why people leave the organization is usually a combination of things. it is very shallow to always put the blame on those who leave and never question yourselves. Ultimately it will lead to the moral implosion of the organization. Although I did not understand back then the volume of lies I was thought by the organization, the moment when I realized that my doubts were well founded, i questioned myself and my motives, and gave ample time for the organization to convince me i was wrong, which you could label murmuring phase. However it did the exact opposite, it proclaimed theories like "overlapping generations", etc, which demonstrated in what kind of darkness they are. Never ever did I discredit the hard work of the elders, or higher official, i just realized they were applying the wrong instructions. I pondered a long time if it would be the right thing to leave, and looking now back on it, yes it is. Since there is no possibility to honestly explain to the friends the valid reasons why the organization is not having the truth, showing it by leaving an empty seat in the hall is the best one can do. I can now see, whereas inside the organization I was blind. Since those inside do not know what it means to be able to see, the only standard reaction is to call the ones who are learning to see "murmurers", instead of asking yourselves what there is to see.
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  The GENERATION explanation is now a BOLD FACE LIE

  by scotoma in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when i first heard about the new "generation" explanation i was confused because i didn't see clearly how they were explaining it.. now it looks like they finally figured it out for themselves and it is no longer confusing.. it is now a simple, ignorant, bold face lie.. this is from the january 1st watchtower.

  (and i hope to hell someone from writing gets wind of this).

  paragraph 15 page 31 blue stands for the exact words in the watchtower.

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  Hoffnung

  In essence JW are coming from the Millerites, who did not see Jesus come in the 1800s. Instead of recognizing the failure and moving on, explanations have been cooked up to cover the unfulfilled prophecy. it is very near, already for more than 150 years...