Posts by Retrovirus

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Jesus was an Angel and used God's name

by Christ Alone in

interesting stuff in the november wt.

note this dishonest quote:.

during his ministry, jesus.

Retrovirus

Hi Elephant!

I'm replying to your post 20, where you say:

…except religion is not factual based is it?otherwise we would not be having this discussion, right? Christ alone’s point is based on his own parameters he’s set for his mind and comprehension…and he assumes any other interpretation is false… that sounds a little like any person whose confident in his own beliefs…

So religion isn't fact based? Actually I'd largely agree, but I'm afraid you are not very well versed in what your religion teaches.

Have a look at the quotes in the first article here.

An example:

The Bible describes true faith as “the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld.” (Hebrews 11:1) Clearly, far from being naive, a person with real faith has based his beliefs on a careful scrutiny of all available data. Reasoning on such information produces the conviction that even things that cannot be seen with the literal eye are, nonetheless, realities.

So please tell, are you an apostate, or do you base your faith on evidence and reason? And if the evidence shows that the Bible does not call Jesus an angel, why would the jws do so?

I'll respond to the other reply on the correct thread; not a good idea to mix them up.

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MATES WHO ABUSE MENTALLY AND EMOTIONALY, PSYCOLOGICALY AND AT TIMES PHYSICAL

by unchained1963 in

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Welcome, Unchained!

I'm so sorry for all you've suffered.

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There's gotta be another faction in the Writing Department, either that or they can't see the irony.

by Theocratic Sedition in

jw
friends

the past two week's worth of wt studies have made a couple points that appear contradictory in nature.

yesterday was too much, i felt at least.

either there's another faction within the writing department fighting for the equivalent of airtime in the literature, or they're all so indoctrinated that they fail to see the irony in what they publish.. for instance, take paragraph 5 from last week's lesson.. 5. unlike the law codes of many countries, "the perfect law" is neither complex nor burdensome but consists of simple commandements and principles.

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Hi again Elephant

answer- the words 'high-control' and 'consistently' detract from the idea of 'absolute'... in other words, there is opportunity for choice... Are children raised in that environment likely to become independant and respectful adults? answer - the word 'likely' admits that the answer can be yes...

Circumstances don't dictate what people will become, true. Yet it's well researched and documented that prople raised in over-controlled (or micromanaged?) or abusive environments are more likely to become tyrants or victims themselves. Do you think we should just ignore this substantial risk?

answer - i dont quite understand this question...are you saying is it okay for religion to substitute a home, as in a family?

Oh no, I was just following the analogy along, happy to drop it

answer- not if you believe that it IS a satan dominated world...if you dont, it shouldnt be much of a problem...

It's not that simple; there are many stages a person goes through when changing a fundamental belief. Also if the person has been isolated from that world. . .yes, it can be a big problem.

...again, your argument in favor of mind control is weak because you cannot decide if in fact you have a choice or not...if you're convinced that you don't have a choice...well then yes, you are pretty screwed...

I'm puzzled! Where have I argued in favour of mind control? Choice or not is addressed above.

...or ...your eye has become simple after all...

Now if I were a JW that would be a compliment, I think. As it is I'll just say that argument by . . . is pretty simple too, and I've seen it before here.

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51

Jesus was an Angel and used God's name

by Christ Alone in

interesting stuff in the november wt.

note this dishonest quote:.

during his ministry, jesus.

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But, Elephant. This is a Public Watchtower, no? See, here in this system of things, when we address people whose beliefs differ from ours we present a factual or logical argument for our point of view, rather than a kiddie picture assuming it. . .

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51

Jesus was an Angel and used God's name

by Christ Alone in

interesting stuff in the november wt.

note this dishonest quote:.

during his ministry, jesus.

Retrovirus

Sure, Elephant, but the point of the OP was that the article and illustration "went beyond" what's in the Bible

From the OP . I would like to find a single place in the Bible that describes Jesus in the way that it presents it here..

Don't the Jehovah's Witnesses claim a biblical basis for their "Spiritual Food" any more?

51

Jesus was an Angel and used God's name

by Christ Alone in

interesting stuff in the november wt.

note this dishonest quote:.

during his ministry, jesus.

Retrovirus

Elephant says

i dont believe you've ever seen Jesus in a spiritual state (at least i dont think so) how do you know he doesn't look like an angel?

. . .but evidently the WT illustrator has?

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There's gotta be another faction in the Writing Department, either that or they can't see the irony.

by Theocratic Sedition in

jw
friends

the past two week's worth of wt studies have made a couple points that appear contradictory in nature.

yesterday was too much, i felt at least.

either there's another faction within the writing department fighting for the equivalent of airtime in the literature, or they're all so indoctrinated that they fail to see the irony in what they publish.. for instance, take paragraph 5 from last week's lesson.. 5. unlike the law codes of many countries, "the perfect law" is neither complex nor burdensome but consists of simple commandements and principles.

Retrovirus

Welcome, Elephant!

You say

On the subject of mind control…I could go as far as to give in a little on that argument only because you yourself have admitted that one can submit to mind control willingly. This happens in religions and outside of them.

I think you said much the same about micromanagement earlier. Am I correct in understanding that you see no problem with it unless the micromanaged person objects?

If a person is raised in a high-control environment and is consistently discouraged from self-expression and then marries an controlling, abusive spouse, is that OK? Are children raised in that environment likely to become independant and respectful adults?

If it is a religion that provides the controlling environment, is that "better" that such a home? If this controlled person wants to leave, but fears to because they have always been warned of the perils of a Satan-dominated world, are they really free to do so?

. . and to return to topic, if the publications of the controlling religion exhorted that person to make up their own mind, wouldn't it mess with their head?

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Candace Conti's Attorney Takes the Stage

by Juan Viejo2 in

rick simons takes the stage and tells why the candace conti lawsuit was the right case at the right time against the watchtower.. this is the first of at least three videos documenting mr. simons' presentation on july 14, 2012. .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffywyvy9anm.

last segments of this program should be up within a few hours.. .

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Excellent videos; thank you, Juan V.

In the second Q&A (I think) Rick says that the Catholic bishops agreed among themselves not to settle any more pedophile victim cases with gag orders. The WT is fine with continuing this policy.

Anyone who donates the smallest amount to the WT and knows of these issues, or even that these videos exist, should have a deeply troubled conscience.

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Sparlock

by biometrics in

so we have a jw next door who went to the assembly over the w/e.

yesterday she gave 'gift' to my wife for my kids.. that's right it was the sparlock dvd.

i didn't know about the gift until i saw my kids watching it this morning.. is it safe to let my kids watch it?.

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Watch it with them and ask what they think. "Is it fair to throw away somthing that was loaned to you?" "Why would Jah be hurt by a plastic toy?"

Wt propaganda is its own worst enemy

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My JW Life... (LONG)

by silent in

jw
friends

i never, ever thought i would ever be posting on a board such as this but here i am.

i've been reading the boards for several months and despite my initial conscience twinges, i couldn't help but follow a logical thought process on many issues that were causing me grief.

over this past week, due to the things i've read on here, i've had a massive cloud lift from me and i'm starting to feel joy and love in my heart that i've *never* felt before.

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Great to see you posting again, Silent and also nice to hear of another successful fade. Sounds as if you are doing well, but make sure you get help for the depression if you need it (I've had a few episodes and speak from experience).

Also hope you and your wife are pursuing education, formal and fun, and getting some "outside" hobbies and friends. If all your ex-cong can do is give you the evil eye, that's a good reason to be somewhere else.

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