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  Why do Jehovah's Witnesses keep track of field service hours?

  by Faithful Witness in

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  2. beliefs

  i understand that they claim to have the responsibility to preach to every corner of the earth, so they can encourage armageddon to come quickly.

  (matthew 24:14 "and this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

  what rationale do they have, for keeping track of their hours and literature placements?

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  In reply to SFPW:

  Faithful Witness , those verses in Matt have absolutely nothing to do with why Jehovah's Witnesses report field service time. Likewise those verses don't shed a negative light on why Circuit Overseers or Elders pay attention to the activities of active publishers in the congregation.

  Rejection without a reason.

  Years ago, the hours spent and the literature placed, was put on display for the whole congregation to see. If that were still the case, than MAYBE I would see how you could apply Matt 6:1-4 to what we're discussing.

  So the verses DID apply?

  To the contrary, field service activity recorded on time slips is submitted discreetly, and only the Elder Body, and CO have access to those numbers.

  And here comes the classic Watchtower doublespeak. Does Matt 6 1:4 say "men" or "all men"? Are Elders and COs men or not? After all they are quickly identified as "imperfect men" when they slip up. . .

  SFPW, you either lack logic skills or are being deliberately disingenious.

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  *written without a head covering :) *
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  Stands For True Worship. I am turning myself in......

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just answer this question in an honest and unbiased way, free from any circuitous reasoning or speculation.

  if you do so, i swear to my heavenly father, that i will call the elders tonight and turn myself in.

  any active jw may answer this question.

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  SFPW says Truth is relative in the sense and trajectory of time.

  Really? The "Truth" that the wt capitalises? The "Truth" that a baptised jw can be df'd and shunned for questioning?

  SFPW, look up what truth really means. Yes, our level of understanding is limited and can and will change. But what we understand is just that. Not "truth". And especially not "Truth"!

  As many have pointed out, the wt wants it both ways at once. The excuses (imperfect men, light getting brighter) and the status of dispensing "Truth".

  I'd call it dishonest.

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  Celebrate my first post of many :)

  by Mellow in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi everyone, my name is mellow (some names have been changed) lol.

  as no doubt many of you were, i was born in.

  i am now in my mid 20s living in a jehovah's witness household.

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  Welcome, Mellow!

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  A House Divided Against Itself Falls-Luke 11:17

  by Stand for Pure Worship in

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  2. friends

  that text reminds me of one of a handful of problems peculiar to the ex-jw community.

  second only to the wild beast's internal divisions, is the divided makeup of the ex-jw populace.

  you know the one thing that indicates jehovah's blessing upon the worldwide association of kingdom proclaimers, is not only the continued success of the preaching work, but along with it the unity and love amongst the brothers and sisters.

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  Retrovirus

  Hi and welcome SFPW!

  To be fair, maybe it's me. Maybe I've been a JW so long that I cant imagine being part of any movement without unity and love amongst ourselves. How do you folks do it?

  Well, what is a "movement"? I'm a non-jw, I "belong" to a family, a workplace, charity groups, a bushwalking club and a liberal, inclusive church. None of them require unity. There are various levels and kinds of common interest, comradeship, affection and love.

  What happens to the love of the congregation when a baptised believer can no longer believe?

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  The New Diary of Winston Smith

  by WinstonSmith in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  we had to go off grid for a time, time and half a time as we thought we had been outed.

  fortunately it was a false alarm, but it was a stressful time.

  i asked for my original diary thread to be deleted in case there could be anything on there to identlfy mrs smith and i. i am always very careful when posting, and am sure there was nothing on there, but felt it best to have it removed in order to be as cautious as a dove.

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  So very sorry to hear this, Winston! Your careful preparation deserved better.

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  Got Accosted by 2 JW Women While Pumping Gas Yesterday - Weird

  by flipper in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  absolutely weird.

  minding my own business while pumping gas - this 60 year old short jw lady with fluffed bun styled 60's hair and her 30 year old attractive 5 ' 10 inch jw lady partner came straight up to me as i'm pumping.

  they picked the wrong hombre .

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  KiddingMe wrote

  A lot of times when leaving these types of encounters, JWs find a way to resolve in their mind the person's intent so as to discredit them

  That was my experience too. Any disturbing information got a reply like "who told you that?" or "where did you find that?". The idea of checking the information against other sources was foreign to the jws I "studied" with; all information was "good" - if from an accepted source;( ie theirs) or "wrong - from Satan".

  Easy to see why education is such a threat to the wt.

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  I'am in the Penalty Box! I asked the Circuit Overseer "Who Donates Blood For Jehovah's Witnesses Blood Fragments".

  by AuntConnie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  told my husband to put a muzzle on my mouth over the blood dogma.

  we all were driving around in field service when the topic of "which fragments would you take if you were in a car accident or cut yourself badly".

  said his choice is a personal one, another sister with chronic health problems said she had no problem with the governing body's new light on taking various fragments.

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  Following on from fractions of fornication and idolatry. . .

  I guess "Theocratic Warfare" could be aligned by calling it "allowing fractions of untruths"

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  Why are the moms so attached to religion?

  by ILoveTTATT in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  please don't take this the wrong way, i would love it for women to comment on this thread because i just can't understand something!!.

  here's the pattern i see:.

  mostly guys in here.. if the guys are married, their wives usually stay a jw, or it takes 3 times as much time to convince a woman to leave than a man.. if the guys have a jw father, the father is open-minded and can be more easily persuaded to leave.

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  ILove TTaTT,

  Just a thought from a non-jw - due to the patriarchal mindset relatively jw women work outside the home and those that do often have grunge jobs. Therefore they are denied a social outlet and a reality check, a different perspective that more men have. Additionally, they do the lion's share of caring for children, family and sick cong members, as well as housework and "service". So the friendships and belonging are immensly important.

  And yes, I know this is both speculation and generalisation.

  What to do about it - pretty much as Steve Hassan suggests. Introduce alternatives. And it may be difficult because the poor jw has been conditioned to believe that any activities outside the "Truth" ( ) are the lures of Satan.
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  Christmas

  by Mahtaw in

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  was raised a jw, started fading out about 3 and a half years ago.

  i recently had a child, and my in laws are baptist.

  they love christmas.

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  Retrovirus

  Welcome, Mahtaw!

  I'm a never-jw with some family in. For me Christmas is fun, but I've seen that some ex-jws feel as you do. Why do you single out Christmas as particularly bad? Like everything else, it's what you make of it. There's no actual obligation to wreck your finances on extravagent gifts or get rotten drunk at office parties, despite the regular articles in Awake

  It's a good time to catch up with family, friends, colleagues and ex-colleagues, and take stock of the year that was. And if you're so inclined, some of the church services are beautiful!

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  Does your Theology Align with Reality?

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  thesits are fond of reminding us that science cannot prove there is no god, and in this they are correct.

  however, science should not be dismissed so lightly by anybody who values a faith that is more than a mere fantasy.. theologians like john shelby spong have shown the intellectual honesty to embrace the truths that science has discovered and adapted their religious beliefs to take account of reality.

  sadly many theists lack the courage to do likewise.

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  Cofty,

  And yet millions of evangelical christians go on believing in creationism and a literal Adam & Eve and a fall from perfection when the facts prove this is impossible

  True. Perhaps a lack of education helps. Personally I find it sad when people need to insist on religious dogma as an apparantly vital component of their faith. It does make their God seem limited. . .