Retrovirus

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  Does God Care About Animals? gA Dec 2011

  by Gladring in

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  according to the article in the dec 2011 awake although.

  man was eventually permitted to use them for.

  food and other practical purposes, god never.

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  Ichneumons thus serve as another example of the diversity and balance of living things that man has yet to comprehend fully.

  Yet . .

  Although one may describe this insect group as ruthless parasites, ichneumon wasps serve an important purpose. Their larvae feed on insects that are harmful to food crops, including chinch bugs, boll weevils, codling moths, and asparagus beetles, to name a few. So ichneumons evidently control the proliferation of agricultural pests.

  Evidently, the wt has all the answers, even when "man" doesn't. And the difficult cases, such as ichneumons preying on spiders that also help control insects, are simply disregarded.
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  Questions for those who are christians, not JW

  by umadevi in

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  2. friends

  hello, i don't post often but i have made it a daily habit to come here.

  currently i am not into any religion after exiting the wtbts.

  i have no knowledge about christianity other than what was taught by wtbts.

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  Hi Umadevi! How are you managing, you and your boy?

  Back to topic - I'm a member of a small, inclusive Unitarian-like religion. Roughly, we believe that actions are more important than creeds, and the only "core beliefs" are to love God and love others as yourself. I'm not very regular in attending meetings but do enjoy those that I attend. We discuss and compare personal beliefs without judging and it's great to get a different perspective - without having to subscribe to it!

  To me a spiritual life means connecting rather than following a set of rules. For me it's important to connect, as I'm an introvert by nature. So, I take a lady shopping (she has severe health probs and I'm a palliative care volunteer), and help out with the local Adult education Center. I'm also a member of the local Amnesty International group, and donate to two African chariities, one through work.

  Why did I join my religion? I'm a born-in and it fits my needs. The differences from the wt are pretty clear, I think!

  Retro
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  WT Society Alters their History as " The Party " did in George Orwell's 1984

  by flipper in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  finally my wife and i got around to reading george orwell's " 1984 " .

  as many of you know who have read the book that " the party " or " big brother " as the ruling power in the book is called ; constantly changes records of it's past dealings so as to deceive the public about any false forecasts they may have mistakenly made ; in an effort to put forth a positive image of itself it destroys past embarrassing records or paperwork which would expose the " party " as a failure.

  much the way the wt society has altered their history to deceive the public and their own members.. notice this quote from george orwell's " 1984 " on pg.

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  Hi Mr Flipper!

  Yesterday I read this article on Freeminds. It shows a scary number of similarities with 1984. Especially the "hidden library" of history. Very thought provoking!

  Retro
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  A Course in Miracles

  by semelcred in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've just started reading a course in miracles and wondered if any one here has any thoughts or any contact with this book?

  as an ex-jw i find it hard to accept reading any other religious publication but i find the idea of the ego's attempt at separation as the real issue against the idea of original sin a fascinating concept.

  also the book was channeled!

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  I'll have a go, Rebel8,

  Terry's post, as I understood it, ridiculed the alleged source of the book, without addressing the content. It also asserted that claiming the source was Jesus, was intended to use Jesus as an authority.

  I've read some but not all of ACIM, and, like others here, enjoy exploring the different ideas it presents. No reason why I need an "authority" to do that, or a basis in fact either.

  IMO, these concepts, and your perception of "cultish", don't apply here. No-one will shun me or regard me as a living corpse if I accept some, all or none of it. Or whether or not I change my mind later.

  And just for context, I get a lot from Terry's well thought out posts. Also I work as an analyst, and my work deliverables are entirely based on facts and probabilities.

  ACIM etc., occupies a different part of my alleged brain .
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  So why

  by bushido8000 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  it has become very apparent to me very quickly that this forum is dominated by ex-jws.

  i have many questions and topics to present but i first want to know who i am presenting these questions and topics to so i have 2 questions that i would like as many of yall to answer as possible.. .

  question 1: did you leave the organization out of the blue or were you first disfellowshipped?.

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  Hi,

  My situation is that I studied but never joined.

  I'll interpret Q2 as "why didn't I 'progress'"? Because the literature presented as "Truth" wasn't true. For example quoting Francis Hitching; even citing him as an authority. He has a basic science degree and has never worked as a scientist; the simplest Google search establishes this. And pointing this and other concerns out got me labelled "opposer". Any information that didn't fit was managed by bad-naming the source; a simple logical fallacy.

  I do feel some bitterness as I saw my brothers' marriage to a jw struggle and finally break, and what their children went through. I saw that both parents tried their hardest to maintain the marriage but the jw religion doesn't allow compromise.
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  A Letter to My Sons ... A Request for Help

  by 00DAD in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it has now been over two years since i was df'd.

  in that time i have had limited contact with my 17 year old son, the younger, and almost no contact with my 20 year old.

  the older boy was baptized 5 years ago and sadly the younger just recently took the plunge into the "pool-aid".

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  00Dad,

  have you considered keeping a diary? It could form the basis of your message to your sons, or just help you keep track of things you'd like them to know. And if they have the least interest (I'm sure they do!), they'll read it, whether or not you're still here.

  Best wishes for your efforts to stay in touch.

  Retro
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  My trouble

  by bushido8000 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have been facing a small dilemma for some years now.

  i have been in the truth since i was 5 years old.

  after experiencing some troubles with man-made rules (non-scriptural, told me that i absolutely could not join my small school's football team) in the kingdom hall when i was about 16, i stopped going to take a step back and look at what was going on.

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  Hello and a belated welcome, Bushido8000!

  I'm a non-jw who "studied" with two kind jw ladies for about six months. I'm still sorting out my own beliefs, so have nothing to convert you to or from.

  What I'm sure of, is that we need to keep learning until we find what we need. Once you've started to do this, following along and suppressing doubts gets harder every day.

  Even the Bible tells us to do this. I cannot imagine a loving Father who would forbid it.

  Best wishes on your search!
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  Celebrate Good Times: Come On!

  by headisspinning in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  today marks our two years free.

  my now husband was df'd on september 13, 2009 and i was officially canned on september 15, 2009!.

  it has been a long road and if any of you remember, we initially came on this board looking for help to get reinstated.that is a huge laugh now, hey!

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  Congratulations, Julia
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  What Turns The Average "Worldly" Person Away From The Witnesses?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  is it their door-to-door incessant preaching?

  is it their view on blood?

  is it that the religion itself is simply often misunderstood?.

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  In my case, the "literature". I actually liked the people themselves. But couldn't imagine saying that a world wide flood did happen and evolution was a ruse of Satan. . with a straight face.

  Trouble with the "ministery" is, most "worldly" parents have no problem with education and/or intelligent use of the internet. They are even proud if their children occaisionally win an argument with logic! And once something is understood, as many have siad here, it can't be forgotten.
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  Well I have a choice to make

  by Igot2bme in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the elders came today without any notice and visited with me.

  they told me that my mother in law said i didn't want to have anything to do with the witnesses anymore.

  i said yes i did say that and then i laid it all out for them why i felt that jehovah god wasn't with them.

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  Igot2bme, two things stood out here

  They told me that my mother in law said I didn't want to have anything to do with the witnesses anymore

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  The one elders sister came to my house 2 weeks not to come see me but to see my daughter and recruit her

  Congratulations on your great response to the elders, and with an org like that, what do you have to lose?

  All the best in your free life, Retro