Posts by Retrovirus

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CO Visits... Are elders honest about the TRUE state of the congregation?

by Alfred in

this question is really for elders or ex-elders (or ministerial servants in the know).... did you find that some elders would tend to "white-wash" the true state of the congregation when they had their sit-down with the co every 6 months?.

did some elders feel pressure to hide certain things from a co for fear of being "removed" from the boe?.

(judging by the "fakeness" that some elders displayed during co visits, i have to wonder whether they were really worried about being removed for not seeking out inactives or encouraging more participation during the wt study, book study or fs...).

Retrovirus

well done, Anony Mous!

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questions that defy JW logic No bible needed just a working brain

by thecrushed in

even before awakening from the mind control my mind would plague me with doctrine defying logic.

i'd like to share some of my self explanatory questions here.

every time i'd ask jw's these questions they would give me bs answers like we will have to wait on jehovah to tell us in the new system or some other lamo thinking stopper.

Retrovirus

Welcome, ABJAH!

Religion and science are two very different things, agreed. And the jw record of trying to use

science to "prove" thier interprestations and then backtracking is notorious.

Retro

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questions that defy JW logic No bible needed just a working brain

by thecrushed in

even before awakening from the mind control my mind would plague me with doctrine defying logic.

i'd like to share some of my self explanatory questions here.

every time i'd ask jw's these questions they would give me bs answers like we will have to wait on jehovah to tell us in the new system or some other lamo thinking stopper.

Retrovirus

Another problem for the literal Flood is where did all the water come from? Where did it go after?

My study director showed me where wt literature endorsed the ludicrous water canopy explanation, long ago thouroughly debunked.

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Were you surpised how little the "world" new about JW's after you left?

by donny in

i have been out of the jw organization for some time now and have been fairly active in discussing my adventures in watchtower with those who are interested.

what really surprised me in the first few years after leaving was how little the "world" knew about jw's.

we were taught that we have been warning the unwashed for 100+ years and they resist the message because satan keeps them from grasping this "good news".. in the many discussions i have had with these folks since leaving, it is amazing how little or no understanding about jw's beyond the blood issue and holidays they have.

Retrovirus

...I find the vast majority of people know little to nothing about them despite their never-ending "preaching work".

And as a non-jw I'd suggest that a large reason is that it isn't "preaching", it's selling. JWs don't come to the door to tell you you may not have a blood transfusion and you must regard your family and close friends as "walking corpses", they tell you that Paradise will be here 'soon' and everything wrong with the world will be 'fixed'. A bible study will tell you how!

If the householder already knows some of the typically jw beliefs they sometimes offer a weak defense, but quickly move on.

The great majority of what people know about jws is from contacts like Talesin, and from sites like these.

Retro

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 04-22-2012 WT Study (POSITIVE)

by blondie in

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friends

a loving spirit in the congregation.

be zealous in the ministry.

9. how does our attitude toward the field ministry.

Retrovirus

Paragraph 7 : "True friends keep personal matters confidential"

Paragraph 16: "If he or she does not do so within a reasonable perion of time, though, we should report the wrongdoing"

Confidentiality? Well, when it suits us. . .

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Introduction Bio

by JakeM2012 in

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hi everyone, i would like to introduce myself and tell my story.

from the standpoint of being one of jehovahs witnesses, my whole family is deeply involved as i was the 5th generation of witness and any children that my brothers or sister have will be the sixth generation.

as some of my brothers and sisters are grandparents, i guess that makes their grandchildren a potential 7th generation.

Retrovirus

Great introduction bio and an excellent read! Also wonderful that your wife is out with you.

And you are right, the demonizing of higher education should be criminal!

Welcome again, Retro

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Talked to 2 Elders Today

by 2tone in

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i had a conversation on the phone today with two different elders today.

i dont want to post the topic that we discussed on here at this time.

they had a problem with something going on in my life and i said where is it written that this is a problem.

Retrovirus

Hi 2tone, just to clear up, I didn't mean that you had indulged in brazen conduct, but whether the elders could use it as a catch all.

The situation as you described it is certainly no business of anyone else. when I was "studying" I was often amazed at how pushy my study conductor and the other one could be; enquiring into any problem I hinted at, asking openly about the "attitude" of family members, insisting that I fin time for a visit from the CO etc.

They don't seem to understand privacy and boundaries.

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Talked to 2 Elders Today

by 2tone in

jw
friends

i had a conversation on the phone today with two different elders today.

i dont want to post the topic that we discussed on here at this time.

they had a problem with something going on in my life and i said where is it written that this is a problem.

Retrovirus

Brazen conduct?

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Female Householder Stabbed/Raped by Purported JW in Tennessee

by skeeter1 in

http://www.newschannel9.com/news/top-stories/stories/vid_368.shtml .

marion county assault victim remains hospitalized.

by karen zatkulak .

Retrovirus

Hi and welcome, nonjwspouse!

Perhaps you could start a topic with as much of your story as you'd like to share? From the home page, select your

forum and hit "New Topic" on the blue bar at the top.

Look forward to more of your posts, Retro

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Identifying marks of the true religion

by ex360shipper in

saw this on jwtalk they were putting down apostates and posted this quote:.

watchtower 1982 3/1 p. 8. .

identifying marks of true religion .

Retrovirus

OK, I'll give it a go:

1. Those who practice it have genuine love among themselves

The "genuine" is a classic jw weasel word, implying that any love in the "worldly" world is fake. Ask them to define "genuine" vs "non-genuine" love and how to identify it.

2. (I'll leave to @Vanderhoven7)

3. They pray for God to sanctify his name

And so do all Christians who use the Lord's Prayer. They just don't incorrectly call that name "Jehovah".

4. They proclaim God’s kingdom in all the earth

Many Christian churches have missionaries and evangelists. Nor is the jw "coverage" in any way complete, or likely to be so "soon".

5. They keep separate from the world’s affairs

Not exactly. They accept pensions, health benefits and other allowances wherever they can. There's nothing creditable about taking and sneering at the giver.

6. They cultivate the fruitage of God’s spirit

Whatever that may mean. I think it means expelling (disfellowshipping) any deemed to fall short; so much for "genuine" love! Also, once again they cannot define exactly how they do this "better" than other denominations.

7. They obey all human laws not contrary to God’s law

And other denomination do not? This is not a distinguishing mark. Worse, they have flagrantly disobeyed the Working With Children legislation in Victoria until called on it. Even now many go door to door without a WWC card.

So how do these "prove" that they are the One True Faith?

Retro