Posts by DavinciCodeBreaker

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Now my marriage vow is directly connected to remaining a witness...

by DavinciCodeBreaker in

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i recently informed my wife of 25 years (the love of my life) that i just cannot go on any longer with this facade.

DavinciCodeBreaker

I recently informed my wife of 25 years (the love of my life) that I just cannot go on any longer with this facade. She has known that I have developed a new consciousness for over a year and we have had some great discussions. I think deep down she agrees with most of what I say; however she just cannot face saying goodbye to everyone and making new friends and I understand that. After the meeting on Sunday i told her that I am going to begin my “phase out program”. I just can’t do this anymore. I said my conscience just will not allow it. I told her I would accompany her to the occasional Sunday meeting but the mid week meetings and the ministry were done. She freaked out to say the least! She then informed me that my marriage vow in particular “for better or for worse” would mean that I should continue my spiritual routine with her regardless of how I feel. We had an animated discussion for about two hours and she is adamant that my breaking away is tantamount to breaking my marriage vow! After the discussion ended I went for a bike ride to clear my head and came to the conclusion that if I told her instead that I had been cheating on her that this news would have been met with a more rational response than me wanting to leave the WT.

I reminded her this morning that I would not be attending the mid-week meeting this week and she just looked at me with the “death stare”. I have never seen this look in her eyes before. Maybe I should just go along with this a while longer until I can convince her otherwise. I DO NOT want my marriage to be dissolved over this. If any of you can offer me some advice or suggestions; I am all ears.

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Today's WT Study Stupidity About Df'ing

by metatron in

jw
friends

in today's watchtower study, towards the end, you had one of those typical comments by a former df'ed witness expressing appreciation for being shunned.

these comments always remind me of a stalinist show trial in which the accused enthusiastically accepts being executed for the greater good (probably to save his family).. after this kind of nonsense is expressed, you will get a flurry of self righteous comments emphasizing how important it is to shun your disfellowshipped relatives, so that they can come back in the "truth".. oh, really?

do any of these people raising their hand realize that, if the "success" of disfellowshipping depends on your shunning, then the "repentant" person is "coming back in the truth" for the sake of their relatives -and not because of fearing jehovah !!!???.

DavinciCodeBreaker

There is a local experince here where a family shunned one of their siblings after he was disfellowshipped. They were so self righteous in their stand against their own flesh and blood, cutting him off completely! Then the father passed away and guess who was named as executor of the estate in the fathers will? You guessed it, the df'd brother. Haha it was so awesome watching these self righteous a-holes all of a sudden do an about face with their brother who initially was not allowed to get involved in the funeral arrangements. All of a sudden he wasn't such bad association afterall! They went from "no you cannot help us plan dad's funeral and you can sit in the back of the hall IF your conscience allows you to attend the funeral". To them all sitting together and hugging him and showing affection just so they could get their self rightous hands on Daddy's money. They made themselves look like such asses-it was a thing of beauty!

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 05-01-2011 WT Study (LAWLESNESS)

by blondie in

jw
friends

do you hate lawlessness?.

can the elders enforce any laws since they cannot read hearts?

love one another.

DavinciCodeBreaker

Someone of the "elite class" commented at the WT today that they were at a special talk with the zone overseer and he went on to say that recently David Splane of the GB said that "nowhere in the bible does it say that we can associate with relatives pertaining to neccesary family business." So you can expect that in the days ahead they will continue to tighten the screws on disfellowshipping!

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Mr. Falcon Asks: Harrassed? Exiled? Lost your family? It's okay..... You're just dealing with IMPERFECT MEN.

by Mr. Falcon in

i'm pretty sure everyone here has been "counseled" with this little gem.

"oh sure, that does seem impractical" or "yes, brother headup-hisass shouldn't have done that.......but you must remember that we are dealing with imperfect men.".

few responses insult your intelligence as much as the above statement does.

DavinciCodeBreaker

I had a conversation on this very subject with my sister in law. After detailing all the incongruence’s of the WT. She laid that line on me. So I asked her; if your husband constantly mentally abused you and he kept saying, “sorry honey but I am an imperfect man” how long would you put up with it? Or if he continued to have affairs behind your back (ie WTS affiliation with the UN as a NGO) and again he said, “sorry honey but I am an imperfect man”. I know you would never put up with that! If you wouldn’t put up with that excuse, what makes you so sure that Jehovah would? She was speechless!

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MEMORIAL AT THE KINGDOM HALL OVERFLOWING WITH NEWCOMERS?

by steve2 in

jw
friends

this is a question for those brave souls who, for whatever reason, attended this year's memorial: .

who else was there?

was there any evidence that the witnesses are still attracting a large crowd of "newly interested ones" (to use their awful phrase) or even complete strangers drawn in by the door-to-door work.. i hear lots of comments about how poorly attended some of the weekly meetings in the halls have now become, so i'm curious about what you guys may have seen when you attended in the past day or so.

DavinciCodeBreaker

From Western Canada: Over 70 people have pioneered this month in our cong and I know the majority of them were doing their best to get all thirty hours in the "Invitation Work", easy service as they call it. I understand that well over 90% of our territory was covered and from all this effort...0 people showed up! That's right nada, zilch. A few bible studies but that was it. Our attendance was much, much lower than I have seen in years.

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re-enforcing the shunning of immediate family - WT 7-15-11

by undercover in

july 15th wt study edition (regular dumb edition, not the dumber one).

god's rest - have you entered into it?.

subheading, when someone we love leaves jehovah.

DavinciCodeBreaker

I found it very disturbing that in the Photo illustration of this greiving couple, it shows the son walking out the front door packed with his belongings. Very subtle how the GB encourages parents to turn their backs on their disfellowshipped children going as far as kicking them out of their home! Like a previous post stated earlier...PURE EVIL!!

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July 15th WT out - Coming out Swinging at Apostates Hard

by LostGeneration in

this is one of the most aggressive watchtowers i think i have ever read.. four study articles on not "following the crowd" not following unrealities(page 13) not following false teachers, meaning apostates of course(p 15).

avoiding false teachers means "refusing to read their literature, watch tv programs that feature them, examine their web sites, or add comments to their blogs.

(para 7, pg 16).

DavinciCodeBreaker

OMG, this was a total 'Barf Fest'! I like how they put in the footnote their own opinion of an apostate and did not quote any scriptures to back up this claim. (page 15, par 5) Then that last article on upholding the shunning of your own son! It was utterly disgusting and pathetic. My blood is boiling and I feel nauseous...

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 04-03-2011 WT Study (TRIAL)

by blondie in

jw
friends

face persecution?.

helped to resist peer pressure.

(a) why can we expect to face trials and.

DavinciCodeBreaker

Thanks Blondie; great post as always. I just wanted to add a comment to a point in Par 9

Most people prefer to go along with the crowd, so to speak, to avoid confrontation or conflict.

This describes JW's to a tee, especially when you talk about doctrine or inconsistencies in th WT doctrine and false prophecies. As one individual told me regarding the whimsical renderings of scripture from the GB, he said "I just don't question it". Talk about "going along with the (great) crowd of robots" and avoiding confrontation at all costs.

One other thing; the WT continues to use these ridiculous recycled experiences. I have heard this same experience for decades and some of the details change but it is the same damn one.

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craziest reason elders wanted to have a commitee meeting with you

by glentrevette in

i had a sister who was a tenant in my house and her car was leaking oil all over my newly paved driveway before she moved in i had a condition on the lease that said if her car leaked oil she couldnt park there and i told here after she moved in that she was being deceptive to me when she said her car didnt leak oil she was good friends with a lot of powerful elders in the hall and would you believe they asked to meet with me 3 elders in the back room of the library because they said i had called this sister a liar i got out of it only after i produced a copy of the lease and pictures of the oil mess if i hadnt of had pictures maybe i would of been dfd.

DavinciCodeBreaker

Stillin - If you met with three elders and not two, then for all intensive purposes-it WAS a judicial committee! I'm curious; when you met with the three of them did they at anytime state it was a judicial committee? If so the elders broke many protocols here in this case. First of all once the accusation was brought forth then it should be brought before the entire body. Then an investigative committee is formed consisting of two elders who would meet with you to get your side of the story and to ascertain the validity of the accusation. Then the investigative committee would report back to the body and they would decide if a judicial committee is warranted (the comments and findings of the investigative committee weigh heavily in this decision) and then assign three brothers to carry this out.

If this was indeed a judicial meeting and this is really bothering you, your options are; contact your COBE to determine why protocol was not followed and if he does nothing-call your C.O. Of course there is always the risk that this could backfire on you-it all depends how deep the corruption and favouritism goes. So be very cautious-you may want to “let sleeping dogs lie” and just move on.

This happened to a close friend of mine and he DID challenge the protocol and disfellowshipping decision. It was clearly a case of favouritism with the local body over something very trivial that was blown out of proportion. Not only did he not get disfellowshipped (very rare!); two of elders were reprimanded (not removed of course).

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"Do NOT go beyond the things written (but we can)."

by TimothyT in

i was doing some research yesterday on this scripture: 1 corinthians 4:6!.

"now, brothers, these things i have transferred so as to apply to myself and a?pollos for your good, that in our case you may learn the [rule]: do not go beyond the things that are written, in order that you may not be puffed up individually in favor of the one against the other.".

read this from the watchtower 2008, april 15th, page 7:.

DavinciCodeBreaker

It reminds me of the "Inquisition" as found in Ray Franz book, CoC where the elder told Ray, "the Watchtower is our authority". It is pretty sad when you can prove your position scripturally to an elder but if a WT article contradicts the scriptures they will lean towards the WT.

Very shameful!