Posts by Botzwana

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Please can we all have a go at describing and celebrating our different NEW IDENTITIES, versus our OLD WBTS IDENTITY?

by Fernando in

at one time most of us here identified as jws who follow the wbts gb/fds who claim to follow the bible etc.

some of us are journeying to a new identity, others may feel they already have a new identity.. although we likely have gone in many different directions, we share a common past which only ex-members can really understand and explain.

please could we each respectfully share and celebrate our unique perspectives of where we have come from, and where we each are now at on this journey?.

Botzwana

OLD- Losing money like CRAZY! I.E. Throwing away DVD´s or VHS because they were ¨wrong¨ Then going out the next month and saying that I could still view it only to throw it away again because of a WT article....Burned through many a copy of Friday the 13th for that...Being depressed about Armaggeddon all the time...Judgemental etc. Losing $35,000 to a sister because I thought we could trust ones with our lives in the truth, brothers doing NOTHING to help me in that matter. She is still a ¨faithful¨ sister today. Never has she been counseled to pay me back etc.....Giving the CO money etc. Not having any worldly books, never getting self help books or how to books because Jehovah would have ¨taken care of us¨....Never working before because Dad supported me being a pioneer. Would never defend myself if attacked. Again Jehovah would have ¨protected¨ me....

NEW- Holding onto money. Not throwing away things at all. Keeping my F13s! Not even giving money to bums anymore. Am free. Faded pretty successfully. Getting books I never would have gotten before. Getting selfhelp AND how to books. Am loving them! Experiencing the working world by opening up my own bar. It has been wonderful to see my creation come to life. Been over a year since I have stepped foot inside a kingdom hall. Think about self defense all the time. Exploring the survival boards and really getting into it. I have released my inner redneck.

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The Watchtower is NOT a false prophet

by The Quiet One in

regarding what some have said here about the wt being a false prophet.. i would like to make my point regarding the wt not being a false prophet... so please, if you can be patient enough to read this, at least try to understand what i am getting at.. a false prophet is one who, according to deuteronomy, makes a false prediction of the future and claims that the prediction came from god, or in other words claiming that 'god has said he will do a certain thing at a certain time' etc.. for example, hypothetically speaking, if someone had claimed: "god will bring about the end of the world in 2010", they would have been proven to be a false prophet, obviously.

but, as an example, imagine a man who claimed the position of a prophet of god, (as moses did, because although he was not the type of prophet that predicted the future.. he was still a prophet or spokesman for god) and that he had publicised worldwide, according to his interpretation of a (for example) prophecy found in the book of isaiah, that the world would end in 2010.. and he had also stated that he was not saying that god will end the world in that year.. but only that there was biblical evidence that god might do so.

that would clearly have been a mistake.

Botzwana

Thank you so much guys! Hilarious postings as usual! I am entertained and enlightened!

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So "The Quiet One" now has a problem with my domestic abuse article...

by cedars in

sorry about this, i generally don't like confrontation of any kind, but a situation has arisen on another thread, and i thought i would give the quiet one the opportunity to explain her reasons as to why she dislikes my article on domestic abuse without hijacking someone else's thread in the process.. the sad thing is, i had an entire thread devoted to publicizing this article and receiving feedback, but he/she chose not to say anything on that thread, but have a go at me on an entirely unrelated thread.. anyway, i'm copying and pasting the whole conversation so that both sides of the argument can be seen.. a copy of the offending article can be found here: "'won without a word' - at what cost?".

i'm not necessarily asking anyone else to join in the discussion, although you are welcome to do so if you wish to add anything.

the purpose of this thread is to give "the quiet one" the platform that he/she evidently craves to criticize the article in public (i have offered to discuss this over pms, but that offer hasn't been taken).. so anyway, sorry about this folks... (sigh).

Botzwana

Here is Wikipedias definition of prophet...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophet

Anyone who claims to speak God's words or teach in his name and is not a prophet the Bible terms a false prophet. One test given in the Old Testament in Deuteronomy [ 10 ] contains a warning of those who prophecy events which do not come to pass and said they should be put to death. Elsewhere a false prophet may be someone who is purposely trying to deceive, is delusional, under the influence of Satan or is speaking from his own spirit

Says one that receives a messege from a divine being....So quiet one...Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

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Disgusting talk about disfellowshipped children...

by Morbidzbaby in

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http://www.archive.org/details/spirituallydeadchildren.

you have to be fucking kidding me... this is mind control at it's best.

encouraging parents to ignore their kids who have left the jw's and blaming the kids themselves for the rift that's caused.

Botzwana

I don´t feel so guilty anymore. Read some JWFacts and all is well.

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Disgusting talk about disfellowshipped children...

by Morbidzbaby in

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http://www.archive.org/details/spirituallydeadchildren.

you have to be fucking kidding me... this is mind control at it's best.

encouraging parents to ignore their kids who have left the jw's and blaming the kids themselves for the rift that's caused.

Botzwana

I listened to the whole thing. Haven´t heard a talk in over a year. Started to feel guilty. Man I need to read Crisis of Conscience again. Wish I had access to it.

The scripture that got to me was the priest´s boys thrusting their stuff in Jah´s face. Why do I feel guilty?

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viewing porn makes you demonised!

by highdose in

or so claims every jw i've ever met.

porn also makes you turn into a sexual deviant who is likely to become a homosexual, rapist or peadofile.. .

porn has specail powers that once viewed allows the demons to get into your mind and start controling it!!.

Botzwana

Get a realdoll....You do not even have to take her out to dinner...

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Man-oh-man-oh-MAN... I am SO ready...

by AGuest in

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to get back to work (peace to you all!).

yeah, yeah, i'm sure a couple/few of you here are ready for me to go back, too (lololol!).

kim kardashian's and company's just gonna have to forgive me... but my brain is about to go bonkers.

Botzwana

I was so fortunate to start my restaurant in a building that I own...Life is so much easier not working for someone else...

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CRISIS OF CONSCIENCE ARRIVED - Lets see what my guy (Ray franz) had been up to

by mankkeli in

coc was delivered this evenning and i will be jacking it the whole night.

i might write a review to refute ray's argument after the reading and btw, i will be away from here for some time.

let it begin.. .

Botzwana

Ding, I spit milk out my nose at that one....Reading it from the platform! LOL

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Starting to read Crisis of Conscience....

by confuzzled777 in

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after almost 2 years of being wrongfully disfellowshipped and over a year after finding this site....i am starting to read crisis of conscience.

i will not lie....i am a bit nervous as to what information i will find in the book.

i have a strong feeling that i will end up crying through most of it as i will start to see the truth about the "truth".

Botzwana

What I want to know IF this is such an important book....Why is it SO hard to find? Why are copies on Ebay in the hundreds of dollars? Why doesn´t Ray´s widow MAKE more of them available?

I do not get that line of thought.

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"Hospitality"?

by NCO in

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had to meet my parents not too long ago for some family business and while working out the time for that sunday, they said they had the meeting and then following the meeting they had "hospitality" for an hour or so.. now i've been out for going on 20 years and somewhat out of the loop.

needless to say i've never heard of that.

i've been to other churches where they have the sanctuary and then the fellowship hall where the members go and eat after the service.

Botzwana

My great father and I did it once for the CO. That was the last time we ever did it. His wife could not come with us as she was feeling ill. So he asked us to ask another faithful sister to eat with us to make it a foursome. We did. After dinner he ordered something to go for his wife. My father was pissed off but did it anyways. Dad wanted to take them somewhere expensive to really let the CO feel he was appreciated. The bastard.