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  How many TRUE BELIEVERS do you think are left in the Organization?

  by pistolpete in

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  i have a few jw relatives who are true believers.

  by this i mean, they believe with all their heart that 1914 was the beginning of the last days, that this is the last generation, that we are in the very last of the last hour of this system of things, and that you should obey the governing body even if it does not make sense.

  all of them are in their 60s and up into their 90s there is nothing you can say or show them to convince them or even cause a small doubt that the wt is not god organization.

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  Vidiot

  Based on all available anecdotal evidence and the dumbass decisions the WT leadership makes, the only conclusion I can come to is that...

  ...they know it’s wrong...

  ...but believe it’s true...

  ...at the same time.
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  Thoughts on Zoom

  by waton in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the wt sponsored zoom meetings reduce individual freedom, spirituality.

  the wt sponsored zoom meetings enables ego maniacs, narcissists to have their influence beamed right into your living room.

  conversations that were private, personal are now broadcast, forced on all participants.

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  Vidiot

  Wow.

  So the WTS is becoming even more Big-Brothery then it already was.

  Just as well, maybe.

  The alienation can’t help but further incline the fakers, faders, and face-sitters to bugger off.
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  Anthony Morris depicts ex-members as ''Despicable Apostates''

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here is one of the many commandments jesus instructed his twelve apostles to keep, follow, and obey!.

  here is anthony morris ( supposedly selected by jehovah to keep, follow and obey the sayings of jesus ) name-calling and condemning enemies!

  the pharisees used to label people as well.

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  Sigurd - “...If they had come out and said, ‘It has been brought to our attention that we have been lacking and deficient in these areas and we are humble enough to admit and make changes’ we are currently studying the best way forward with Jah's help, blah blah blah...The money vaults would have opened up to them.“

  Maybe, but the “money vaults” are not their top priority.

  More than anything else, the JW leadership’s overarching goal is maintaining the fiction that the WTS is “God’s Exclusive Earthly Organization”...

  ...every decision they make is directly or indirectly tailored towards that.

  And as far as they’re concerned, the kind of admission you describe - whilst highly ethical - would too severely undermine that claim.
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  Anthony Morris depicts ex-members as ''Despicable Apostates''

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here is one of the many commandments jesus instructed his twelve apostles to keep, follow, and obey!.

  here is anthony morris ( supposedly selected by jehovah to keep, follow and obey the sayings of jesus ) name-calling and condemning enemies!

  the pharisees used to label people as well.

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  Sigfrid - “...They waste more articles, talks at conventions etc bashing apostates than trying to build spiritual characteristics in individuals...”

  Sure seems so.

  It’s an indication of just how threatened they actually feel about “apostates”, IMO.

  Plus, there’s an underlying tendency amongst those with an ultraconservative worldview to see people in general in a very unflattering light...

  ...to the extent that they aren’t inclined to believe many to really be worth more than just the bare minimum effort.

  To anyone who thinks that way, “apostates” are a complete write-off.
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  What's the Latest re How JW's are Associating and Preaching?

  by mikronboy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've been out of the loop for a while so some things have passed me by.

  so i'm curious how jw's are affected by the covid virus.

  are they still preaching or having meetings etc?.

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  millie210 - “...It almost seems as though they would rather not have another failed ‘end timer’ escapade that people can point to...”

  This.

  Plus, a devastating pandemic isn’t really included in the Org’s eschatology.
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  More JW left ideology examples

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the latest gb update ramps up the fear of the plandemic even more, and introduces a whiteboard animation that advocates staying at home, wearing masks and social distancing.. https://www.jw.org/finder?locale=en&category=latestvideos&item=pub-jwb_202012_12_video&docid=1011214&applanguage=e.

  then there's another 'save the planet' type article that mentions debunked and unrealistic green new deal-esque talking points such as alternative energy, switching to a plant based diet and less manufacturing.. https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/peace-happiness/save-earth/.

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  Vidiot

  Agreed.

  Breaking it down logistically, the WTS’s whole New System thing is damn near impossible without either...

  a) ...“worldly” elements, or...

  b) ...magic.
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  Thoughts on Zoom

  by waton in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the wt sponsored zoom meetings reduce individual freedom, spirituality.

  the wt sponsored zoom meetings enables ego maniacs, narcissists to have their influence beamed right into your living room.

  conversations that were private, personal are now broadcast, forced on all participants.

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  Vidiot

  Yeah, I gotta say, I did not expect the rank-and-file to get even cultier.

  I figured it’d be the opposite.

  Maybe it’s just the loyalists.
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  More JW left ideology examples

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the latest gb update ramps up the fear of the plandemic even more, and introduces a whiteboard animation that advocates staying at home, wearing masks and social distancing.. https://www.jw.org/finder?locale=en&category=latestvideos&item=pub-jwb_202012_12_video&docid=1011214&applanguage=e.

  then there's another 'save the planet' type article that mentions debunked and unrealistic green new deal-esque talking points such as alternative energy, switching to a plant based diet and less manufacturing.. https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/peace-happiness/save-earth/.

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  slimboyfat - "Some of the most problematic OT passages were not meant to be read literally."

  I have a theory that this is actually at the root of the Dark-and-Middle-Ages-era Church's historic antisemitism....

  ...the WTS's assertion that the Bible is actually a single, overarching piece of work is not original to them; the Nicea Council selected the "official" Bible books to be used, in part, to reinforce it.

  However, to accomplish that, the newly set-in-stone cosmology required that the Genesis creation narrative be regarded as literal history, in part to legitimize Jesus' primacy.

  However, if the Church's loyal subjects learned that the Jews - the actual writers of the Old Testament - didn't view Genesis as literal, it would undermine that legitimacy, and therefore, the Church's authority...

  ...so Jews were demonized and discriminated against to prevent that information from being widely known.

  I could be wrong.
  
  
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  More JW left ideology examples

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the latest gb update ramps up the fear of the plandemic even more, and introduces a whiteboard animation that advocates staying at home, wearing masks and social distancing.. https://www.jw.org/finder?locale=en&category=latestvideos&item=pub-jwb_202012_12_video&docid=1011214&applanguage=e.

  then there's another 'save the planet' type article that mentions debunked and unrealistic green new deal-esque talking points such as alternative energy, switching to a plant based diet and less manufacturing.. https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/peace-happiness/save-earth/.

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  Vidiot

  Calling the WTS "leftist" always sounds strange to me, considering how much the Org has in common with the Religious Right.
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  TO SELECTED BODIES OF ELDERS ASSIGNED TO THE COVID-19

  by pixel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  december 25, 2020. to selected bodies of elders assigned to the covid-19.

  re: adjustments to arrangements for meeting family food needs during the covid-19 pandemic.

  dear brothers:.

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  mikeflood - "Good for them, becoming more mainstream each day. One day they are gonna become part of the community too, volunteering, etc."

  (assuming you were being serious and not facetious)

  Don't kid yourself.

  Any change of that nature is purely cosmetic... at their core, they still are - and always will be - an authoritarian high-control group (in semi-mainstream drag).
  

  Authentic progressive reform is not possible at this point...

  ...they're too far gone for that, and it would too deeply undermine the Organizational illusion.