Jeezus, I think those are even bigger empty patches than in the last batch of photos.
😳
You gotta wonder what’s going through the heads of loyalists when they see that firsthand.
attended the friday sesson of the 2024 summer convention.. july 5, 2024 summer convention crowd photo; they invited quite a lot of empty chairs.. .
the facility usually has 5500-6500. they spun it saying that fewer congregations were assigned.
there were 6 of the smaller, more distant sections blocked off with tarps to lessen cleaning, which i understand.
Jeezus, I think those are even bigger empty patches than in the last batch of photos.
😳
You gotta wonder what’s going through the heads of loyalists when they see that firsthand.
so: the mystery has been clarified as to more "new light" / clarifications of decades old doctrine and procedure.
august watchtower has finally been leaked.
disfellowshipping?
i have heard or read, many times by many exjw's, that the org does not remove the blood transfusion ban because it would be crippled by the resulting lawsuits the minute that "new light" was made official.i am not a lawyer, but i would like to know what legal opinion lawyers have on that.on what legal basis would there be a lawsuit?
"i am suing the watchtower because my relative died because of a rule they had but no longer have"?am i missing something?.
NotFormer - “…they're now experiencing a warped version of the sunk cost fallacy…”
IMO, the sunk cost fallacy is already pretty warped. 🤨
there was a knock at my door and i thought it was my take-away being delivered.. long story short, it was 2 elders calling to see me.
i guess to re-activate me.
once they said who they were i recognised them.
I’d’ve thought any of ‘em’d be scared to knock on Punk’s door.
😏
just a heads up that the english version with the changed cover is now up on jw.com.. i haven’t yet read it but if any you have the time i’m looking forward to people’s insights.. in the meantime i must find a red 🍷.
cheers,.
ozzie (of the ‘is he still here?’ class ).
“Now in courts you can just quote the scripture and tell that this practice of removing wrongdoers is directly mentioned in the Bible.”
Exactly.
The very same Bible with passages that condone genocide, the execution of children for sassing their parents, and the ownership of other human beings as property.
Simple, really.
just a heads up that the english version with the changed cover is now up on jw.com.. i haven’t yet read it but if any you have the time i’m looking forward to people’s insights.. in the meantime i must find a red 🍷.
cheers,.
ozzie (of the ‘is he still here?’ class ).
“…if we notice a fellow Christian who shows such a disobedient spirit, we will make a personal decision not to associate with him…”
Not “you may”…
...“we will”.
“Personal decision”, my ass (not to mention the whole “we” thing, as if solidarity between the leadership and the rank-and-file were even possible at this point). Read between the lines, and there is virtually zero wiggle room.
These aren’t reforms…
…they’re just a slightly more creative way of reiterating the rules.
just a heads up that the english version with the changed cover is now up on jw.com.. i haven’t yet read it but if any you have the time i’m looking forward to people’s insights.. in the meantime i must find a red 🍷.
cheers,.
ozzie (of the ‘is he still here?’ class ).
Stephane - “… I think the point here is that it won't be enforced by the elders…”
Yeah, right.
“Youse had best make a ‘personal decision’ to see tings our way… it’d be a shame if some udders might be compelled to make a similar ‘personal decision’ regarding youse.”
from reddit.. a summary of changes: .
we are all sinners, so we have to be reasonable how we punish sinners.
if elders and congregation do not quickly help someone come to be reinstated they would be imitating satan the devil, not jehovah (yes that actually is what is said in the tagalog version in translation!
And I’ve been thinking about this for a couple days, now.
I figure that…
a) …they decided that since the XJW community was aware of the alleged rewrites, they decided to shelve them and double down on the old version just as a “fuck you”, and/or…
b) …they’re still delusional enough to think God’s got their back and they’re gonna come out on top, despite all the shit that’s been happening.
https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/charges-probe-child-sexual-abuse-among-jehovahs-witnesses-pennsylvania/3600171/#:~:text=a%20pennsylvania%20grand%20jury%20investigating,that%20has%20identified%2014%20suspects.
what to know.
a pennsylvania grand jury investigating child sexual abuse among jehovah’s witnesses has charged another five people with raping or molesting children as young as 4 years old.. the indictments friday are the latest charges in an ongoing probe that has identified 14 suspects.. state attorney general michelle henry says that while the misconduct dates back years or even decades, “the trauma endures for these victims.”.
FFGhost - “…I know it's the longest of long shots, but I can't get rid of the gut feeling there is some connection between all these recent PA cases and Tony Morris' abrupt and complete disappearance…”
Don't kid yourself.
It ain’t that long a shot.
the watchtower—study edition | august 2024. help for those who are removed from the congregation.
14 does what we have considered mean that we would completely ignore a person who has been removed from the congregation?
not necessarily.
“…In the past, we would not greet such a person…”
A more accurate statement would be, “…In the past, you would be forbidden from greeting such a person…”