Posts by Dumplin

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Discussing the RC with a friend and my JW wife was listening.

by Driving Force in

i am fuming at the moment and my wife has made me so angry.. i live in germany and an ex jw, a friend of mine is also ex jw but does not understand english so i was giving him a rundown on the friday session of the rc with gj.

my wife was in another part of the house but heard my phone ring and so she came to listen, i did not realize this, because when the phone rang i closed two doors between myself and my wife.

she opened the first door and started listening to the conversation.

Dumplin

Men, said the Devil,
are good to their brothers:
they don’t want to mend
their own ways, but each other's.

-- Piet Hein

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Contradicting Governing Body Members

by Illuminated in

so we've heard from three different governing body members this year regarding child sexual abuse.. the latest one on the rc admitted there's a sexual abuse problem within the cult, yet lett and morris swept the dirt under the carpet stating they have a great reputation as far as sex abuse is concerned, and pointed their fingers at "apostate lies".

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i'm left totally confused at the contradiction of this "organization"..

Dumplin

"All Along The Watchtower"

"There must be some kind of way out of here, "
Said the joker to the thief,
"There's too much confusion, I can't get no relief."

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The sheer lunacy of Jackson's view regarding mandatory reporting of child sexual abuse.

by DATA-DOG in

lunacy?

insanity?

without a doubt.

Dumplin

I think Angus should've asked Jackson to explain the Good Samaritan parable.

You could replace the word "priest" with "elder" and "levite" with "ministerial servant" and it would make perfect sense to us... and Jackson would fit the part of the "law expert" who challenges Jesus with the question: "who really is my neighbor?"

Except that Jackson would totally miss the point of the parable. When Jesus asked the law expert at the end of the parable "Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man" - Jackson wouldn't say "the one who had mercy on him". Jackson would say in his deep, rich brown voice: "Thank you for that question" and then start talking about something entirely unrelated, then get upset that Jesus isn't paying attention to his answer.

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GEOFFREY JACKSON THE PERSONABLE FACE OF JW.ORG...BUT IT AIN'T OVER YET BUDDY

by steve2 in

since geoffrey jackson's appearance before the australian royal commission on friday there has for some been an expressed feeling of anticlimax.

it is as though he was given too much latitude to preach, to claim ignorance and to skirt questions.

more to the point, as much as i myself thought i would never have expected to say this, gj actually came across as likeable and - don't throttle me please!

Dumplin

Steve

You expressed my thoughts very well. thank you.

You said "What the law cannot compel, public shaming can accomplish "

Yes -- the "analysis" is just about to 'hit the fan' and we don't even have to wait for the RC report - newspaper and other media reports have already been exposing JW leaders for the heartless, unconcerned bastards that they are. They will continue to put JWs in a bad light.

JWs have now become a theatrical spectacle to the world, only not in the way they would have hoped for or expected. And if some of them are as yet unaware of the royal commissions work, they soon will be made aware. This news will spread and pick up speed all over the world until there will be no way for them to escape or put a spin on it.

And I too appreciate the way the RC is going about Case 29. They don't want to have to force anyone to do the right thing, but by using "reason", they try and "guide" the thinking and conscience of policy makers/enforcers in the right direction.

My JW wife watched Jackson with me last night and agreed that the elders were inadequate to handle these matters and that ALL child abuse cases should be handed over to authorities (my first breakthrough w/ her). But then she kept saying, like Jackson did, that the authorities should just make reporting mandatory and that would take care of the problem. I told her that a teacher who FORCES a child to do the right thing usually doesn't get the results they hoped for -- they might get a half-hearted "i'm sorry" - but that's about it. And, I said, that's not what Jesus did either. He didn't force anyone. He gave parables to help people REASON on wrong and right. And then I asked her where do you think Geoffrey Jackson fits into the Good Samaritan parable? Does he go out of his way to help those who have been beaten up, robbed and left for dead on the side of the road? Or do you think that his policies actually re-traumatize the victim, leaving them feeling beat up and robbed again?

So I like the reasoning approach that the Commission is using and hopefully SOME JWs will see where Jackson and the other leaders' hearts are.

I hope the Commission's report words it in such a way so as to reach hearts.

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Geoffrey Jackson: "That would be presumptuous of us"...

by Calebs Airplane in

within the first few minutes, mr. stewart asked geoffrey jackson if the members of the governing body consider themselves to be god's spokesperson on earth.. his response: "that would be presumptuous of us" (implying that they don't consider themselves to be god's sole channel of communication).. to me, that was the worst lie of about 26 lies he's told during this hearing.

however, mr. stewart missed an opportunity to call out mr. jackson on this bold-faced lie.

he should have asked him to explain why the watchtower magazine teaches otherwise.

Dumplin

"To be fair ...give the poor SOB's a break"

To be fair ...they took our families, dude.

mercy is for the merciful ...and all that...

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Governing Body, Geoffrey Jackson - Child Sexual Abuse Whitin Jehovah's Witnesses, Not Apostate Lies

by C0ntr013r in

a little taste for everyone who could not watch the hearing live .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvypugzk59o&feature=youtu.be.

the rest is coming soon!.

Dumplin

"Thank you for that question!!"

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Governing Body, Geoffrey Jackson - Child Sexual Abuse Whitin Jehovah's Witnesses, Not Apostate Lies

by C0ntr013r in

a little taste for everyone who could not watch the hearing live .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvypugzk59o&feature=youtu.be.

the rest is coming soon!.

Dumplin

you do a great service for our community and beyond!

but if I might make one teensy little suggestion to start this video with a theme song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP7lcbVvVzw

Who else thinks Jackson might be Alfred Hitchcock's illegitimate son?

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GeeJay at the RC: highlights, paraphrases and translations.

by sparrowdown in

q: is there anyone that has the permanent role of coordinator or chairman?.

geejay: no, we rotate yearly...... (translaton) we are all sparticus.. geejay: we are a faith driven org, we are not a group of lawyers, being overly concerned with legal matters..... fave quotes .

on establishing headship principle 1cor 14: 33-35, 1 cor 11:3. geejay:...... that's talking about women not excitedly jumping up arguing with others..... geejay: ......our literature has said it, and we agree!.

Dumplin

try not to get into an argument, you two! lol!

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GeeJay at the RC: highlights, paraphrases and translations.

by sparrowdown in

q: is there anyone that has the permanent role of coordinator or chairman?.

geejay: no, we rotate yearly...... (translaton) we are all sparticus.. geejay: we are a faith driven org, we are not a group of lawyers, being overly concerned with legal matters..... fave quotes .

on establishing headship principle 1cor 14: 33-35, 1 cor 11:3. geejay:...... that's talking about women not excitedly jumping up arguing with others..... geejay: ......our literature has said it, and we agree!.

Dumplin

GJ: Women speak w/ head covering in Bible.

Angus: How do you decide when the bible should be taken literally or interpreted?

GJ: JWs use the bible to explain itself. For example, if a woman cannot ever literally speak, that would be ridiculous. But 1Pet 2:11,12 says not to allow a woman to teach but to remain quiet, not jumping up excitedly and starting an argument (WTF?!?)...the GB tries to get a whole message from the bible.

Yeah, like the part where the Bible says WOMEN JUMP UP EXCITEDLY AND START ARGUMENTS? Show us where Peter had that in mind!!

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GeeJay at the RC: highlights, paraphrases and translations.

by sparrowdown in

q: is there anyone that has the permanent role of coordinator or chairman?.

geejay: no, we rotate yearly...... (translaton) we are all sparticus.. geejay: we are a faith driven org, we are not a group of lawyers, being overly concerned with legal matters..... fave quotes .

on establishing headship principle 1cor 14: 33-35, 1 cor 11:3. geejay:...... that's talking about women not excitedly jumping up arguing with others..... geejay: ......our literature has said it, and we agree!.

Dumplin

PM(Peter McClellan): One of the concerns for survivors is having to approach three men. Government uses women as a reflection of our understanding that everyone can contribute to the common good in society.
We recognize there is difficulty for some in approaching men. Is there room for change?

GJ: NO room for women to be elders.

PM: Why is that? Because of your LITERAL interpretation of the Bible?

GJ: Vague description of pilot/copilot relationship, then said: but we have many happy women in org.

PM: Used to be all pilots were men. Not so anymore

touché!!