Posts by krismalone

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I can’t find it!

by Truth and Justice in

jw
friends

i need some serious help on something that i read here on this board, and so i am going to do my best to explain what i’m looking for.

i need this, so i can’t share with my brother who is still in.. it has to do with the organization saying in affect that each member in the congregation has the right to decide for themselves what they choose to do, (that is whether they choose to be apart of the organization without repercussions) and that they would not think of interfering with our own conscience, and that if they chose otherwise that it would be their own decision.. now some might think that the society wouldn’t write something like that, but they did, and i read it, and after reading it, i said to myself “they don’t follow this, they never have.” .

if you could locate this for me, i would be very grateful!.

krismalone

Proclaimers page. 628 - That section is talking about "apostates" and it gives examples of prominent persons in the WT that raised troubles for the Borg.

At the end of the page it states that these ones (apostates, troublemakers) certainly had the right to believe in private whatever they wanted to. But the problem lies in TALKING to others or spreading your ideas that are against the WT Corporation that makes a person guilty of causing divisions.

That paragraph can save you from being disfellowshipped even if you tell elders in their face that the WT is a cult and the Governing Body are deceitful, delusional, conmen. As long as you don't go around talking to others about your contrary beliefs.

Freedom of speech is taken away from the JW members.

There was a brief time circa 1980 (Raymond Franz responsible for this) where the WT sent letters to elders and traveling overseers stating that anyone who holds personal beliefs contrary to the Cult would need to be disfellowshipped even if they didn't promote or talk about those beliefs to others. A copy of this letter is in Crisis of Conscience.

Hope this helps.

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Circuit Overseer Pensions and the Implications

by AlanF in

i just learned that the watchtower society has instituted a pension plan of sorts for circuit overseers.

this is a big change.. previous to this new plan, the various kinds of "traveling overseers" were pretty much on their own when they retired from the traveling work.

in a few cases, such men were invited to live out their lives in bethel, but in most cases they simply went back to being normal rank and file members who had to fend for themselves financially.. i can only speculate that the reason for this change was that the society has been having difficulty getting elders to become circuit overseers.

krismalone

I had a C.O. friend that told me he receives an average of $800.00 a week from green handshakes tax free. Add to that a free apartment, cable, meals, vacations paid by elder brown nosers, new car, gas card, healthcare...it's a good life. All you have to do is sacrifice your humanity, brain and conscience.

It's a totally different story for C.O.'s in third world countries though.

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The strange case of Gerrit Losch

by Gorbatchov in

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friends

one of the recent molest cases had a signed declaration of gerrit losch, stating he has no relation with watchtower and that he has no control over watchtower and he does not answer to watchtower.. this month he is hosting the watchtower broadcasting show, on a watchtower media chanel, with a watchtower president starring as co-host, with statements, media and music that have intellectual ownership and copyright by watchtower.. gerrit is asking on broadcasting for respect for “the slave”, just like jehova and jesus respect “the slave” and will even reward them.. are the writers of the statement too stupid to see the correlation between teaching and practicing?.

these man are proven liars.. how can hold this firewall stand?

it’s so thin.. a judge can see this mismach isn’t it??.

krismalone

This is the same Gerritt Loesch that did a broadcast several years ago about speaking the truth and not making statements that would give the wrong impression to others. This is another example of do as we say but not what we do.

Justice and Truth are thrown out of the window the moment that it undermines their authority or exposes them as deceitful con men.

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Child molesters and murderers are protected by the Governing Body....Good Job!!!!

by krismalone in

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krismalone

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Who deserves the title of king of apostasy ?

by Chook in

i think this would be a noble endeavour..

krismalone

My hall of fame "apostates" are:

Raymond Franz

William Cetnar

Edmund Gruss

Randy Waters

James Penton

Barbara Anderson

Paul Grundy

John Cedars

Susan Gaskin. (youtube)

Ex jw critical thinker (youtube)

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"Who Will Conquer the World in the 1970's" - Anyone have the tape?

by VM44 in

in the july 1970 kingdom ministry on page 3 there appeared this announcement:

"a new circuit assembly program is scheduled to begin in september.

we believe you will find it most informative and upbuilding.

krismalone

This is the badge for the Circuit assembly for the 1970 - 71 assembly program. The public talk had the theme

"Who will conquer the world in the 1970's?".

If anyone has the transcript or the audio recording, it would be greatly appreciated if you can share.

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Praying in the name of Michael the archangel instead of Jesus

by krismalone in

just wondering what would happen if a brother saying a prayer in a meeting did it in the name of michael the archangel instead of closing the prayer with "jesus christ".

since jw's believe michael is jesus would he be counseled?

what if a brother used the name michael the archangel in their public talks instead of jesus?

krismalone

Just wondering what would happen if a brother saying a prayer in a meeting did it in the name of Michael the Archangel instead of closing the prayer with "Jesus Christ". Since JW's believe Michael is Jesus would he be counseled?

What if a brother used the name Michael the archangel in their public talks instead of Jesus? Imagine hearing "Michael the archangel, the son of God died for our sins" or Michael the archangel started reigning in 1914.

No doubt he would be talked to but by teaching that Jesus is Michael the archangel, the JW's really cannot technically do anything about it. The brother using this new expression can just say " Michael the archangel and Jesus Christ are the same person so I prefer to use Michael the Archangel unless you feel Jesus Christ role is greater than his role as the Archangel although being the same person which could lead to the question of Jesus being the same person as God but the role of father is greater than the role of son".

The teaching regarding Michael being Jesus is ridiculous and it would be exposed as such by using Michael's name instead of Jesus in prayers, talks, normal conversation.

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Has the Great Tribulation Already started?

by The Fall Guy in

w55 10/15 p. 623 par.

w56 12/15 p. 755 par.

w56 2/15 p. 119 par.

krismalone

Average Joe,

Thank you for that wt quote. By C.T. Russels own words, the WT corporation is a man made, delusional, cult.

That paragraph alone destroys WT credibility and exposes it as man made religion with personal ideas. I believe that's the most damaging paragraph in all the 150 yrs of b.s. they've been producing.

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The Governing Body's credibility

by UnshackleTheChains in

given the proliferation of websites, youtube channels, books and other forms of media attention focusing on the extreme policies, teachings and scandals of the watchtower bible and tract society; where does this now leave the governing body's credibility?.

krismalone

The Governing Body have created their own alternative reality. They have 8.5 million souls that have been dragged into that world of fantasy where those 7 counterfeit apostles rule without any checks and balances.

To the real world, they are delusional clowns playing with the lives of millions but to their followers they are gods.

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Leaked 2018 Elders Training Video RE: Elders Reviewing Pionieers

by pale.emperor in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhq5viughny&feature=youtu.be.

quite frankly im disturbed at the lack of love and compassion.

especially for the first sister they talk about!.

krismalone

Someone should document and count all the policy letters, guidelines, rules, elder book, organized book, branch organization manual, c.o. manual, kingdom ministry, correspondence guidelines and compare them with the scribes and pharisees Talmud. Im pretty damn sure the Governing Body has more rules and burdens than the Pharisees.

I wonder what Jesus thinks....oh wait....read Matthew chapter 23.