okay, this is going to be a bit of a general rant.
i had a long conversation with a jw elder recently about shunning and evolution.
i became qunite frustrated with the conversation and admitted this at the time.
Could anyone explain the 'we don't try to convert people' thing? Is that a conmon JW claim?
I'm sure they spin it somehow but how do they not see that are being deceptive? When you were in, did you ever feel uncomfortable with the way you were asked to spin the 'truth'?
okay, this is going to be a bit of a general rant.
i had a long conversation with a jw elder recently about shunning and evolution.
i became qunite frustrated with the conversation and admitted this at the time.
@ dismissive servant. He kept going on about science offering no hope. It's such a non argument. I asked him 'if a Doctor told you that you had cancer it wouldn't give any hope but would that make what he said any less true?'. He missed the point and started talking about the new system.
okay, this is going to be a bit of a general rant.
i had a long conversation with a jw elder recently about shunning and evolution.
i became qunite frustrated with the conversation and admitted this at the time.
@zeb, I know you are right but that's exactoy what I find so hard to accept. I know I need to deal with it better.
okay, this is going to be a bit of a general rant.
i had a long conversation with a jw elder recently about shunning and evolution.
i became qunite frustrated with the conversation and admitted this at the time.
That was a good rant. I wish I could be as articulate.
I did did try that approach. For example when he said that evolution was based on lies i asked for a specific example and he just said 'well, it must be'. He doesn't usually like to discuss details and instead jumps from one assertion to the next which I trouble to keep up with. for example, I started explaining ERVS and he ignores it and starts talking about how a tree needs a foundation or it will collapse. I explain how that abiogenesis is seperate from evolution and he starts talking about how theories are unproven. Around it goes in circles.
I asked him to explain what he thought a theory was, he just ignored the question. I pointed out how Einstein's theories have been confirmed as true and are used to calculate the positions of sattelites in GPS. Not even 5 minutes later he starts talking about how evolution is still a theory. It's infuriating.
You can't have a conversation with someone about tgis stuff if they basically ignore evidence and reason.
okay, this is going to be a bit of a general rant.
i had a long conversation with a jw elder recently about shunning and evolution.
i became qunite frustrated with the conversation and admitted this at the time.
okay, this is going to be a bit of a general rant.
i had a long conversation with a jw elder recently about shunning and evolution.
i became qunite frustrated with the conversation and admitted this at the time.
One interesting thing, the elder told me that every person they have disfellowshipped has fallen into druga, depression or some other trouble and most of them have returned and thanked him for disfellowshiping them. This is possible but I think unlikely. I think he's lying to himself about it.
He became very defensive about the shunning issue. Told me I didn't know anything about it - although didn't say anything I specifically said was wrong. I think he might be dealing with his own doubts about it.
okay, this is going to be a bit of a general rant.
i had a long conversation with a jw elder recently about shunning and evolution.
i became qunite frustrated with the conversation and admitted this at the time.
@jnat, yeah they play with words for sure. they commonly claim the don't try to convery people. i know they rationalise it but how do they not realise that is being weasely to the point if dishonesty.
one JW recently admitted to me that they shun people who leave on conscience grounds (he tried comparing them to paedophiles - you wouldn't associate with then would you?). I though about asking him to explain the JW.org FAQ where it denies that they shun former members.
okay, this is going to be a bit of a general rant.
i had a long conversation with a jw elder recently about shunning and evolution.
i became qunite frustrated with the conversation and admitted this at the time.
I have tried that approach and he ignores my questions or answers a different question. I am very aware that when I talk about evolution he switches off and doesn't really engage what I say. He'a already decided in his mind it is untrue so any contrary evidence is autonatically dismissed as lies. He has more as admitted this.
okay, this is going to be a bit of a general rant.
i had a long conversation with a jw elder recently about shunning and evolution.
i became qunite frustrated with the conversation and admitted this at the time.
Yeah, I know its pointless. I always fool myself into think if I craft the perfect argument they will see the light. That's what I suppose is so frustrating.
They dont one even recognise the rules of argument let alone follow them. They ignore facts and draw conclusions that don't follow from the evidence. They seem genuinely unable to tell the difference between belief and evidence.
i am venting on here because it's the only outlet I have. To say this stuff to my family would damage the relationship.
i think I'm part of the problem too. I just can't let some stuff go.
okay, this is going to be a bit of a general rant.
i had a long conversation with a jw elder recently about shunning and evolution.
i became qunite frustrated with the conversation and admitted this at the time.
Apologies for the auto correct typo - hopefully you can work out what the intended words were
