thanks to all who helped me escape my imminemt baptism after 6 years of study.
it was a close call.. ive clearly been labelled spirituallly weak, as nobody has called here to say hi or anything and its been 2 monthes now....their divine justice for me i guess.
i did see my study teacher a while back when she dropped off my memorial invite, and that was after a chat, nothing to do with the wbts...seemed like it was an afterthought on her part.. they all know about my problems with agoraphobia and panic.
Pam's Girl
Hugs to you. I too love gardening, and find solace in digging in the dirt. Any day now the seeds will be poking their little sprouts out of the ground. I love the twittering of the birds in the cherry tree, the apple tree, the plum tree and the blueberries.
I am thinking you are a sensitive person. I am sorry to hear the JWs have not been very loving with you. I certainly understand what that feels like.
Love,
satinka
hello to jwn!
this is standfirm.
i mainly post on the topix jehovah's witness forum, but i decided to give it a try over here also.
Two questions about integrity...
1. Are you here counting service time?
2. Have you told your elders you are visiting an Apostate website? Guessing you haven't...If they were to ask you, what would your answer be?
satinka
i had to share this sad experience... even if it's not in my top priority list.. my older brother from my mom's first marriage unfortunately passed away last night.
he had been struggling with health issues, the last few years.
this is a very sad time in the family as you can imagine, specially because my mother lost her youngest son just five years ago.
Hi TastingFreedom,
My mom and I just came back home after a bittersweet trip. Bitter because of the loss of a brother, but sweet because he was honored as human being, and reconnected with family. ... I just wanted to report back that my mission was successful. My brother was given a decent christian funeral/buriel as he wanted. There were plenty of support from local Christian churches, it was actually overwhelming! There were no witnesses that could derail it, so that was great!
I am sorry for your loss. Please accept my condolances. I'm glad to know things turned out how your brother would have wanted.
satinka
hey guys, so the book came out today.
my story and the book are on the front page of aol news right now (and i was just on npr and heading into another npr interview right now): http://www.parentdish.com/2011/04/26/brianna-karp-girls-guide-to-homelessness/?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl5|sec1_lnk2|58386.
some of the jw stuff is mentioned and of course there are a few jws and jw apologists flooding the comments section proclaiming my apostate-ness ;).
Wonderful Story Brizzy! Congratulations!
I'm so-o-o-o-o proud of you! Thanks for sharing
satinka
you might well ask that question, do we need a messiah?
yes, it would be logical to wonder whether a messiah would have any real effect on you.. .
some whose opinion you may respect would assure you that the answer is clear and unequivocal: you definitely do need a messiah, just as much as everyone else does.. .
JW propaganda dictates that we need a messiah. I'm not buyin'
satinka
let's start at the old desert island, shall we?.
a group of survivors (just like the tv show!
) are marooned on an island with no way off.they are all sorts of people with various strengths and weaknesses.. the strongest among them do the hardest work.
Give and take...Isn't that what "community" is all about? Caring for self and each other to the best of each one's ability?
Give and take, picking up the slack where one is able?
With love and without judgment?
I know I'm an idealist.
So what do you propose to do with the "non-performers," Terry?
satinka
so...i've noticed there are so many topics that don't have to do with jw-related things, like recent ones where someone complained about this very thing, not realizing that his own thread is, by existence, just a complaint with nothing relevant to any of our lives as jws..
Seems like lately there are some people who are on this forum to gather followers/start a church or some such thing.
Religious agenda --- and like that.
It never used to be like that.
But I see some good healing going on, too. For the most part, people gather here feeling it is a safe place to vent and to heal.
satinka
andersonsinfo is reporting the following news about the "criminal charges and indictment of the watch tower society in australia" by taking some extracts from different parts of jehovah's witness, steven unthank's blog site, http://www.jwnews.net.
please go to the blog to understand the "indictment" and for detailed reading there is much more information found in a:.
pdf version of the 664 page document "the submission 2011" being the:.
The JWs are a religion of FEAR. The JW elders have likely been instructed from on high not to cooperate with this law. The "ole boys club" does not want to know --- and they don't want the public to know --- exactly how many pedophile elders the society is harboring in the JW ranks.
Just my two CDN cents.
satinka
i ask the question because all of a sudden i am getting bombarded by my mother and other family members to "take my wife's hand and run back to jehovah before it is too late"!!
i am getting e-mail with screen shots of the un website (http://www.un.org/en/peace) stating "peace and security", being told that this could likely be the last memorial celebrated and that the door to the ark will be closing soon.
has anyone else been seeing an up-tick in these "prodigal son" appeals from jw friends and family?
satinka --- thanks for links and didn't realize it was "the most widely read magazine in the world,"
I didn't say the WT is the most widely read magazine. The JW commercial feature says it is! Then the JWs take it as gospel. What the JWs don't know is that the feature was a bought-and-paid-for article. There is a big difference between "most widely read" and "most widely distributed." There is a big difference between truth and a paid-for commercial.
satinka
i wanted my jw friend's perspective on something, so i asked them this question:.
if i read a passage of scripture and conclude about it something that opposes the wt's view of the same passage, in your mind who has the truth about that passage (i.e.
who is correct)?
I figure all beliefs, even secular ones, are valid. People don't have to operate on theological beliefs. We get to choose. Theologies all seem to fit into a box anyway. That doesn't feel healthy. People need to be free so as not to fit themselves into a box. People need to be self-directed --- as opposed to being TOLD what to believe (like the jws do). That was one of the first things I discovered after exiting the jws ---the need for my SELF-DIRECTION! Unfortunately, the jws still try to control me even after leaving. They are holding my kids as hostage (in the form of shunning). A very cruel process which feels like emotional blackmail.
satinka
