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I feel ethically compromised by Rick Fearon being allowed to continue posting here

by sabastious in

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i'm not entirely sure why, but rick has been the biggest trigger for me.

i have said some very mean things to him that i regret and i apologize to rick for them.

but what he is doing leaves me feeling dirty and i don't even know him.

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I'm not saying I think he should be deleted, but his posts are pretty unique. It wouldn't be hard to spot him if he popped up again. I likewise ignore him. It's like passing by the tabloids in the grocery check-out lane. Sometimes I look at the titles just to get a laugh, but I never open them up and read them.

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"What is The Purpose Of Human Life?" - This week's #3 Part on the TMS

by dontplaceliterature in

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the source material for this talk is taken from the reasoning book under the heading "life".. .

in a nutshell, here are the points this material makes:.

1. that it is essential to recognize divine authority and that we have a creator.

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The source material for this talk is taken from the Reasoning Book under the heading "Life".

In a nutshell, here are the points this material makes:

1. That it is essential to recognize divine authority and that we have a creator.

2. Life should be according to God's purpose, not ours.

3. Life is miserable because we have inherited sin.

4. We'll only be happy if we listen to God.

5. If we do the above, we can hope for a better life.

Unfortunately, none of these points answer the question! Perhaps what they are getting at, without actually coming right out and saying it, is that the purpose of this life is to be slaves for God, and hope for a better life next time around. This is not what The Bible says, anywhere that I am aware of.

However, the book of Ecclesiastes takes a very reasonable position regarding all of this. For its writer, this life was all we have and we should get the most enjoyment from it that we can because when we die, we are done. That's it. No where in that book will you find mention of an afterlife. (Ecclesiastes 9) We die, our memory goes, and that's it, gone forever. Seven times he says that we should enjoy life to the full as a gift from God because it's all we have:

"Look! The best thing that I myself have seen, which is pretty, is that one should eat drink and see good for all his hard work with which he works hard under the sun for the number of the days of his life that the true God has given him, for that is his portion. Also, every man to whom the true God has given riches and material possessions, he has even empowered him to eat from it and to carry off his portion and to rejoice in his hard work. This is the gift of God." - Ecclesiastes 5:18,19 (See also, 8:15)

My two cents.

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Why Violence Has Declined. Research you will never read in the WT.

by whereami in

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next time they come knocking on your door, show them this book with the latest research.. .

faced with the ceaseless stream of news about war, crime, and terrorism, one could easily think we live in the most violent age ever seen.

yet as new york times bestselling author steven pinker shows in this startling and engaging new work, just the opposite is true: violence has been diminishing for millennia and we may be living in the most peaceful time in our species's existence.

dontplaceliterature

Dubbies will just consider this a precursor to cries of "Peace & Security." Either way, their covered. The Bible is such a tricky book!

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WT Library 2012 CD ROM?

by Mad Sweeney in

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it is usually out by now.

did i miss a thread?.

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It is. I have my copy.

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Any actual Witnesses here?

by trthskr in

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i found this site hoping to read topics submitted by jw's so i could learn more, but it just seems to be everyone else here except them.

just about every topic and member is just bashing jw's and their teachings.

this site should be renamed "jwbashertrolls.net".

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He has confessed to being a troll lets not feed it.

::sigh::

Ditto.

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Any actual Witnesses here?

by trthskr in

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i found this site hoping to read topics submitted by jw's so i could learn more, but it just seems to be everyone else here except them.

just about every topic and member is just bashing jw's and their teachings.

this site should be renamed "jwbashertrolls.net".

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Dontplaceliterature- it's the same as any organization. It has to have a leadership who sets standards and rules. It makes a lot more sense than having so much dissention and chaos if everyone just started interpreting or living their own way. If they don't like it they can leave. No one forces them to stay.

I ASK YOU AGAIN, BECAUSE YOU SEEMED TO NOT NOTICE THE QUESTION THE FIRST TIME. WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAY THAT GOD HAS AN EARTHLY ORGANIZATION? QUOTE ME ONE SCRIPTURE, JUST ONE!

You came to an Apostate Website, knowing full well it was an Apostate Website. You lied to the forum members about your association with Jehovah's Witnesses. Then, you wish to insult us for not taking you seriously? You said that if we don't like the organization then we can leave and that's exactly what most of us have done or are planning to do in the near future. You have yet to scripturally debunk a single reason why it is possible that Jehovah's Witnesses are not God's Organization - let alone prove that he even has one on earth. Then, you come here and attack us for being unreasonable? The nerve.

You're under Watchtower mind control buddy. No doubt about it.

Maybe you should spend more time reading your Bible and less time reading The Watchtower magazine and other Organizational publications.

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I'm a Green Bay Packers Fan Now

by cantleave in

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i got this from my secret santa, you know who you are - i love it thank you.. .

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Don't you have better football to watch, Angus?

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Any actual Witnesses here?

by trthskr in

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i found this site hoping to read topics submitted by jw's so i could learn more, but it just seems to be everyone else here except them.

just about every topic and member is just bashing jw's and their teachings.

this site should be renamed "jwbashertrolls.net".

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trthskr

You are absolutely correct that The Bible does not ever say that men are perfect, and I don't think anyone on this forum would disagree with you.

However, the problem is that The Governing Body Of Jehovah's Witnesses demands absolute submission to their directives as if they were perfect. They claim to speak for Jehovah - to be his mouthpiece on earth today. Is this not a powerful claim? Where does The Bible say that such an organization would be necessary for communicating God's will to mankind? Doesn't The Bible clearly state that Jesus Christ is the Head of man and the congregation? Why would he need an organization on Earth to direct the spirituality of his followers when Jehovah's Holy Spirit is perfectly capable of doing so? You ask us where should you go if Jehovah's Witnesses do not have "The Truth", but I ask you where in The Bible is one demanded to follow any man except Christ? Where in The Bible is anyone commanded to join a church or a formal group in order to be accepted by Christ?

It wouldn't be so bad if The Organization afforded its members the freedom to express themselves where The Scriptures allow for personal interpretation and exercise of conscience. Yet, they consistently attempt to micromanage the lives of those under their leadership - in areas such as career choice, marriage, entertainment, recreation, romance, and the like. They force their members through social pressure and coercion to participate in activities that are not commanded in The Bible. They pile guilt on the members in an effort to shame them into "doing more in The Work Of The Lord" - as if any amount of work they do would ever earn them a place in Paradise. Remember, forgiveness is a FREE GIFT. IT'S NOT FREE IF YOU HAVE TO EARN IT!!! They abuse their authority over the the congregation, and when anyone dares to resist or stand up for their freedom, they are quickly reminded of their place - this is especially so with women.

Regarding their prophetic mistakes, see below:

[Secretary Treasurer of The Society, Grant Suiter said:] "Man cannot lay down qualifications that the Scriptures do not." Yet his own testimony, as well as that of two preceding officials, is that 'only by the Watchtower Society's publications can anyone have a right understanding of Scripture.' Though false prophecy was advanced, "absolute acceptance [of such] as Truth was imposed upon all Jehovah's Witnesses at the time," and this firmly declared to be right. The Secretary Treasurer asserts that "the overall result is what is important," hence the organization should not be judged adversely because they promulgated errors on "incidental points" as long as the "main thing, worship of Jehovah God" was conveyed. It would be unfair to equate the importance of those errors with the main message. "There is no comparison," the Secretary Treasurer said.

This latter claim is all very well of itself. But Suiter's own testimony...shows that, whereas the organization asks for such tolerance and balanced assessment for itself as its rightful due, it denies this to others. While asking for tolerance for itself, it does not grant it to any member who objects to, and who cannot accept, erroneous teachings. For them the result is disfellowshipping, being cut off as worthy of death. This is the case no matter how thoroughly the individual might accept the "main" point of the message, or how sincerely and devotedly he or she might "worship Jehovah God." No, the person must accept the whole message, lock, stock and barrel, just as the organizational messenger saw fit to present it, errors included, with expulsion as the alternative. The organization discounts as only "incidental" the errors it publishes, yet, if those same errors are not accepted or are objected to, they paradoxically become of enormous importance, sufficient to warrant taking disfellowshipment action.

This strange thinking makes it appear that God is very displeased with any person who fails to accept errors that a claimed messenger of God may speak in His name, displeased that the person should insist on 'testing everything and holding fast only to which proves good and true,' genuinely from God. Such person, if put out by the organization, God would not judge worthy of life. Though it may seem incredible, the ones giving this testimony evidently saw no inconsistency in all this.

--In Search of Christian Freedom, Raymond Franz, pp 28-29

The height of hypocrisy.

I really hope that you make an honest probe into some of the facts that are discussed on this website. There really is a lot of "garbage" as you point out, but you'd be surprised how much information can be proven factually. To that end, please go spend some time at jwfacts.com. There is no emtion or sensation contained within the articles there, and you will feel less like an outsider, and more like a private observer.

Perhaps you would understand some of the radicalism on the pages of this forum if you knew the pain and hurt that many of our members have been through. Not everyone knows best how to express that, and will sometimes end up looking childish/foolish/silly to someone who hasn't spent much time here. I know I struggled with your same feeligns when I started posting on this forum.

You say that you have educated yourself on this issues, yet you refuse to answer any of our questions to you. Instead, you insult us. That's what a coward does. Step up and prove some of these claims wrong, rather than deflecting them by simply saying "The Organization Isn't Perfect." Don't you think we've heard that A MILLION TIMES?! We all know it isn't perfect. If it was, we wouldn't be here.

Good Luck. Don't think you'll save anyone by posting apologists bologna here. We'll have none of it!

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