John_Mann

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  Is There Anything About The Witnesses That You Like?

  by minimus in

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  anything??

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  John_Mann

  The international culture.

  The obsession with administrative structure.

  The (physical) non violent behaviour.

  Even though their premises are nonsense, they have a complex racionalization upon their doctrines. But now the generation stuff are not making sense even if you follow their very premises...

  Outside the WT I use my experience in there and my knowledge of a closed world system to make some extrapolations to real world. I use the WT world as a kind of simulation or small scale prototype to understand the big real world (open system). Now I use the WT as my ant colony experiment, I like to make some predictions about their future decisions and compare the results. One strong prediction is the give up the literal interpretation of the 144,000. Another is to stop to print the magazines and keep only the online version. I think they will just print leaflets.
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  What is the difference between an active JW and a successful FORMER JW?

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
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  passionate enthusiasm (where is yours?).

  active jw's are pushing the end times boulder up the mountain day after day with an imaginary goal of paradise for their efforts.

  the prophetic dates roll over them and crush them again and again.

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  LOL
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  What is the difference between an active JW and a successful FORMER JW?

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  passionate enthusiasm (where is yours?).

  active jw's are pushing the end times boulder up the mountain day after day with an imaginary goal of paradise for their efforts.

  the prophetic dates roll over them and crush them again and again.

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  Terry I'm a born-in, but I have this trait to gather information about bad events in my life.

  I always try to figure out what/how/why happened.

  It's interesting to me see someone talking about it.

  I fully woke up when I was 24.

  I just overcome something when I full understand it.
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  What is the difference between an active JW and a successful FORMER JW?

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  passionate enthusiasm (where is yours?).

  active jw's are pushing the end times boulder up the mountain day after day with an imaginary goal of paradise for their efforts.

  the prophetic dates roll over them and crush them again and again.

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  (Victim's curiosity for what went wrong.)

  I like that concept. Can you expand it?
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  What usually happens after the memorial?

  by Frazzled UBM in

  1. watchtower
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  do members of the congregation usually have a meal together after the memorial?

  does the fact that my wife has decided not to travel across town to her filipino congregation and is going to the local one instead and wants to be picked up when it finishes at 8 pm mean that she hasn't been invited to a meal with her filipino congregation and that she is being socially excluded by them?

  i think this is good news but i don't want her to get caught up with the local congregatin because i don't want them coming around to pressure her to attend when she is irregular.

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  What to expect from a JW?

  A deep silent lonely meditation in lotus position searching pure introspection?

  Their version of deep meditation is read a dumbed down article of Watchtower or edible insects in Awake.
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  What usually happens after the memorial?

  by Frazzled UBM in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  do members of the congregation usually have a meal together after the memorial?

  does the fact that my wife has decided not to travel across town to her filipino congregation and is going to the local one instead and wants to be picked up when it finishes at 8 pm mean that she hasn't been invited to a meal with her filipino congregation and that she is being socially excluded by them?

  i think this is good news but i don't want her to get caught up with the local congregatin because i don't want them coming around to pressure her to attend when she is irregular.

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  "Amen", and "Hey, Bob, check out this new Samsung I just got...."

  Exactly what happens...
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  The Bizarre Free Will

  by John_Mann in

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  two years before i left jw world i came to a strange conclusion about the jw cosmology and the free will doctrine.. basically i came to conclusion that satan is right about the universal sovereign issue.

  and i came with that just only using jws premises, no outside apostasy.

  i just told to my sister what she thought about it, and she said to me: dont tell anyone about this!.

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  new hope and happiness Freewill its an illusion.

  Yes, so we can say the self (conscious human mind) is an illusion too since it's considered the source of free will.

  But in JW land the freewill is a reality.

  JW's seems to get nothing right! LOL

  That makes me wonder sometimes if there's some continuation of self after death since JW's says there's not. LOL
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  Gay MS??

  by andysmiles in

  1. jw
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  about me, i am being raised in a jw family.

  all of my family expect for one aunt, who had left but not disfellowedshiped thankly, are in jw.

  my father is an elder and so is my grandfather.

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  There's no Holy Spirit.

  This is the reason why a gay or an atheist can be appointed as a MS or an elder. Very simple if you think about it.
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  "Gospel Writing" -An Excellent Book

  by metatron in

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  "gospel writing" by francis watson is an excellent book that examines (across 600+ pages) the process by which the gospels were written and the process by which they came to be accepted as canonical (as holy writ).. that's really a main point of the book - that there were many written gospels used and quoted by early christians and the 4 we have today were only accepted as 'word for word' inspired thru time as believers came to think of them that way.. a quote: "no religious, philosophical, or literary text enters the world with the label "canonical" already attached.

  canonical status is a matter not for authors but for readers; it arises not from composition but from usage.

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  So is the WT right when it says don't waste time reading the bible because you won't fine the truth the real truth? No.

  The WT doesn't follow the Sola Scriptura.

  Remember too that Mark, Matthew, Luke and John did not actually write the books that bear their names.

  Probably they never existed at all. The twelve apostle is related to the 12 stages (months) of the sun (Jesus), they are part of the Deus Solus myth just like the Zodiac.
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  Most interesting chat with an annointed JW today

  by A.M. Number 1 in

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  we sat in a mc donalds talking for the last 2 hours.

  she made some very interesting claims like:.

  god magically takes thoughts from her head and puts them in the watchtower magazine.

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  When I was still in I questioned an old annointed lady how she knew she was part of 144k, she told me a story about buying a pair of shoes to work in FS with 50% off.

  She take the discount as a sign of favour from Jehovah.

  When I heard about F. Franz and his talking shoes I reminded of her. LOL