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  Imagine this: A Leak of Major Announcement this Summer.

  by OnTheWayOut in

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  2. friends

  the truth has been streamlined.

  the new smaller magazines starting in january, if armageddon hasn't come before then, are even more simplified.

  i know you cannot imagine that being possible, but they are.

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  HayDay

  The seem to use the same 25 scriptures or so in almost every publication. Maybe the writers are finally approacing ad nauseum?
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  Memorial is more important than dying relative!

  by Orphan Annie in

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  2. friends

  my husband is gravely ill sedated and on a ventilator.

  he most likely isn't going to survive.

  we are not disfellowshipped.

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  JW's are not aware of the 'ego' part of the self. They exist only in and for the ego, hence making them the most egotistical people I can think of. They would throw anyone under a bus to make Jehovah or Jesus elevate their status.

  Hang in there, and forget them. Spend quality time with your husband!
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  What was the last meeting you ever went to?

  by lilbluekitty in

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  2. experiences

  i figured out it's been 4 months and 5 days since my last meeting ever.

  july 10th, it was a sunday.

  i hadn't been there in 2 months or so and decided to see if anyone noticed i'd been gone.

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  Summer 2009, Sunday Meeting. The Watchtower study was creepy. Kept on asking JW's to spy on each other and report everything to the elders. I had a panic attack and went to the bathroom and started washing my face with cold water, I really felt I was trapped in a cult! I wanted to call a cab, but didn't make a scene. The brother who drove me home didn't even offer to pick me up again, he must have sensed I was done.

  Feels great! No more guilt trip publications or judgemental, self-righteous phonies!
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  Matrix moment - what was it and when did you share it?

  by MMXIV in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  for those of you who had a moment like that from the matrix when you realised what you'd believed was fundamentally flawed or a lie - what caused that defining moment and how long was it before you could share your thoughts?.

  mmxiv.

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  HayDay

  I didn't come down like a house of cards, but the high maintenance fantasy kept fading.

  I remember this special tract we were supposed to hand out, maybe 4 years ago. I was looking at the cover and there's all these doomsday lightening bolts in a creepy sky and this END IS NEAR type wording, complete with The Harlot from Babylon riding her multihead tiger cat beast drinking blood out of a golden goblet on the back. I remember saying to myself, okay there are 2 possibilities here;

  /1/the WTS has direct news from God that this really is The End and I've picked the right religion and Armagedon is coming, maybe 2 years or so.

  /2/this is totally a scam and embarassing that I'm handing these crazy tracts out to people, I'm giving the Governing Body and ultimatum here, if Armagedon doesn't come in the next 2 years I've wasted too much time/money/energy, etc.

  So I kind of faded and then I went back to a different congregation and realized how much I couldn't stand the Witness culture, actually I hated it, it was driving me up a wall. My faded friend showed me all kinds of 1914 data from a trusted website and I was blown away. Then I found out about the molestors in the congregations everywhere from Silent Lambs and that was the final straw! My mother was sexually abused and that was too personal! I'm now a happy advocate on how awful that religion is!

  "Religion is a Snare and a Racket"
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  *** NEW DVD _ YOUNG PEOPLE ASK: WHAT WILL I DO WITH MY LIFE ***

  by truthseeker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is an in-depth look at the new dvd released this fall.

  it is primarily designed for young jehovah?s witnesses; in fact, the whole dvd is geared towards witness youth only.. .

  on the front cover there are 8 happy youths carrying school books and bags.

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  The youth in the video who was explaining 1914 should have pulled out Russell's Pyramid's of Giza measurements chart. HAHA! "Here we see the inner hallway chamber closely matches the times of the end, 1914 feet, erhhh, meters?"
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  What's Your Status? Are You Technically Still A JW?...

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  are you disfellowshipped, disassociated, active, inactive???

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  HayDay

  I'm not sure. I move from state to state and don't really have a home. I faded out a few years ago and then this year went ahead and emailed a letter to every Witness I could think of saying that I don't believe in spirits anymore (obvioiusly including God). So, maybe I'm disassociated? Disfellowshipped? I don't really care one way or the other. I love and respect myself and they can just shove it!

  Cheers!
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  Should Smoking Be a Mortal Sin?

  by skeeter1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jdubs hang their hat on the fact that the wts was right about not smoking.

  (the jdubs forget that the wts did not get it right on vaccinations or organ transplants...but that's for another post).

  granted, saying "no" to smoke was a good, healthy decision.

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  What about if you just want to chill out sometimes in the Hooka Bar with your friends? It's not really addicting to most people. I started with Hooka and then tried cigarettes. I still smoke occasionally with a few drinks, maybe 1 or 2 cigarettes 1 or 2 nights a week. I'm not an addict, I just enjoy it sometimes. Same for cigars too.

  They just have to control everyone and everything, and use a handy-dandy scripture to do so...
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  'Apostates' being labelled 'mentally diseased'. Is discrimination against mentally disabled people by using it as a 'hate crime' term?

  by punkofnice in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  sorry if i'm not expressing myself very well but i wasn't allowed an education due to wbt$ regulations.. what i'm trying to say is that the wbt$ using the term 'mentally diseased' as an insulting term against those fictitious 'apostates' they want everyone to 'hate', is surely very discriminatory against those that have a genuine mental illness.. it's like calling a white person that has caught a suntan the 'n' word isn't it?

  offensive, inappropriate and utterly destructive.. in the uk the press can be pretty sensitive about such name calling that implies that mental disease is somehow to be used as a hate crime word.. is it worth writing to the press to complain about such discrimination?.

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  Witnesses need a WT article on logical fallacy -which is what their organization has mastered, especially the ad hominem.
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  Suggestions for finally talking to my parents about my doubts?

  by stillstuckcruz in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i'll give my story again:.

  i was raised a believing witness.

  i had a normal life and very loving parents who would do anything for me and my brother(who is 21).

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  HayDay

  This is my exit letter, I sent this out just this June. It took more courage than anything I've ever had to do.

  As life goes on you start to realize your identity wasn't a choice. The beginning of an identity includes many factors for consideration, for example: your name, your language, your nationality and gender, your religion and values, your purpose in life. These are all factors in life we have little or no control over. My personal goal is to discover my true identity outside of these factors. I've started down a new path to finding myself, and it involves breaking away from my old identity.
  
  A while ago, I made a positive change in my life; I turned off the news and media. All that information was irrelevant to my life and generated needless anxiety. Not long after this change my perspective of the world started evolving. Instead of corrupt systems of governments and masses of wicked people, I saw individuals. I started traveling and I saw people like you and me. I stopped seeing humanity as doomed and judged by God, but each person as unique - with love and potential. I began to realize that if we are looking for a wicked and miserable world for God to save, we will, in fact, create one for ourselves. I began replacing my dark view of the world with real memories of paradise from my experiences and travels. I started making new friends and loving my life -simply the way it was.
  
  Being born into and expected to follow Christianity, I've made the most of this and have done my best as a Jehovah's Witness. Just under two years ago, I decided to take a sabbatical from Christianity because the fears upheld by doctrine were poisoning me. Given time to meditate on the fears that were rooted deeply in me, I turned over a new perspective. The strongest fears affecting my psychological well-being were; Jehovah, Jesus, Armageddon, The Great Tribulation, the authority of the Governing Body, the fear of being blood guilty, Satan and his demons, a fear of the world, of disfellowshipping, a fear of losing everlasting life, apostates, the fear of independence and of new ideas, and a fear of the sin living inside me. I realized that all these fears had no basis in actual reality, but in social coercion.
  
  I was left with little energy and low self-esteem from the prison these fears created. Living with the imposed guilt, pressure and pretense wasn't working for me. I’ve concluded that I was running in circles trying to please a competitive social group that could just not be pleased. I was living in denial to save myself from concepts like death and suffering, instead of trying to understand why I needed to deny those concepts in the first place. I couldn't allow my rational mind to be swayed by a subjective interpretation of fundamental truth based on weak evidence and logical fallacy. I also didn't have the energy to tolerate a highly conditional relationship model - one that breaks apart friends and families. My life matters too much for me to keep punishing myself in blind obedience to doctrines, or to watch others struggle for approval by them.
  
  I have begun a new spiritual journey - one that’s free from the concepts that I have been taught and conditioned in. I want to fight those old concepts with my energy and start using a new philosophy: being impeccable with my word, not taking things personally, and not making assumptions. These will be difficult to practice, but worth the hard work. I just don't want to live an exhausting life based solely on social approval or an addiction to belonging to a group or accepting a group’s beliefs.
  
  Whether there exists an ancient realm of invisible spirit creatures that could help or harm me is quickly becoming irrelevant to who I am and what purpose and direction my life takes. I want to put away the idea of spirits and base my life on the realities that I have immediate personal power over and live in a reality that I'm sure I will be a part of. I've come to learn that life's meaning isn't a group objective; each one of us creates our own meaning based on our own personal values. What's meaningful in my life to me, might not be meaningful to you - but that's exactly the beauty of creating ones own meaning.
  
  The problem I found with spending my life in waiting on a higher authority is that I would always be waiting on the answers that I pretended to have. Higher authority limits our actions and goals, and keeps us captive to a concept. My new goal is to live my life without having to justify my existence, and be free to be who I really am. I want to give myself permission to be happy and enjoy my life. I want to live without the fear of expressing my dreams. I want to know I can change my life the way I really want to. I want to live life without the fear of being judged by others. I don't want to be responsible for anyone's opinion.
  
  I want to be free of the need to control anyone, and I do not want to be controlled. I want to live without the fear of loving and not being loved in return. I don't want to be afraid of being rejected, or have the need to be accepted. I want to live my life without being afraid to take risks and explore life. I don't want to be afraid of losing anything. I don't want to be afraid to be alive in the world, or afraid to die in it. I don't want to live my life waiting on a fateful punishment or a blissful reward.
  
  I've realized that if you spend your present time looking to the future for salvation something happens -you always see the present as a means to an end, eventually an obstacle. Instead of living in the past or future, which are just thoughts, I want to make the most of what I have now - the present moment. My life goal is to find enjoyment and enthusiasm in the current moment, and share that with others.
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  Total time spent in the service of WTS - how much is it worth?

  by teel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  let me share a little calculation i did for "fun":.

  i was in for 10 whole years.

  there were 5 meetings per week (i just got out before bs was dropped), preparing, travel, socializing after meetings etc.

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  How do you arrive at 19.00 hourly wage? That's definitly not average from where I'm from, try 10.00 (only because all those Witnesses didn't have an education in order to make any more than minimum wages)