atheism vs. christianity, a response to unanswered questions .
christian--dr william lane craig.
atheist--frank zindler.
Having spent the last couple of weeks reading up on what has been called by an atheist acquaintance as "weak" atheism (his term, not mine). He termed "strong" atheism as the denial of the existence of a god, and "weak" atheism as lack of belief. There was nothing in any of the posts from Infidels.com that actually convinced me that believing in God is irrational. I still stand behind my previous post.
That does it for me on this topic. Have fun and play nice.
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the u.s. has beat mexico 2-0. for those of you who don't know me i used to play soccer.. i even went to the world cup.. this is the only time i went to the world cup.
so you know, i'm the guy in the green stripes.. needless to say i've not played soccer since.. .
Living in northern Mexico, ie. Los Angeles, it was a "dark" morning, lol...Ole, Ole, Ole, Ole...USA, USA :)
i was looking at another thread.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=24809&site=3.
and was wondering,if i'm not being too forward, what kh did everyone here go to.. i used to go to the cranston kh in ri, usa .
Taos, NM
Red Bluff, CA
Mt. Washington (Los Angeles), CA
what do you like to do for fun?
lyineyes, and i love to dance at our favorite night club.
oh by the way, i want to know what kind of entertainment you enjoy with your jeans up.
Good cigar (Partegas, Punch or Ashton).
Good drink: Cuba Libra (151 Rum, coke & lime)
Good sports: American Football (preferably the San Francisco 49ers)
Good Music: Anything as long as it's loud
"That's me in the corner. That's me in the spotlight, losing my religion." REM
And thank God I lost my religion.
The Big Dawg
atheism vs. christianity, a response to unanswered questions .
christian--dr william lane craig.
atheist--frank zindler.
"That's me in the corner. That's me in the spotlight, losing my religion." REM
And thank God I lost my religion.
The Big Dawg
atheism vs. christianity, a response to unanswered questions .
christian--dr william lane craig.
atheist--frank zindler.
Jan,
Thank you for replying. To bad you had to take on such a condescending tone in yours. I will look at the links you posted over the weekend and post accordingly.
I look forward to meeting the challenge.
Have a great day.
"That's me in the corner. That's me in the spotlight, losing my religion." REM
And thank God I lost my religion.
The Big Dawg
atheism vs. christianity, a response to unanswered questions .
christian--dr william lane craig.
atheist--frank zindler.
FunkyDerek,
I can not challenge your "brand" of atheism. This was a general statement as to what is commonly accepted by atheists in general. Which you admitted. Therefore, the statement is not flawed, and the conclusion is correct. However, you still have a problem. The existence of the entities you listed has been disproven. The existence of a god has not. The reasons why this is so are listed in the second part of my post which you did not touch. More on that later.
Secondly, no matter how you spin your view, you are still holding to a universal negative, which still can not be proven. Since belief in God is widely held, it is up to the atheist to prove his hypothesis, not vice versa. Again we are left with the issues from the second half of my post. If one is to say that there is no god, one most become a god, therefore creating a self-contradiction.
I will grant you that my arguement from an unknown authority was in bad form. However, I simply didn't have all of my notes on the case against atheiems in front of me. If you wish to have a clear, concise and logical treatise on the case against atheism, I would suggest Dr. Robert Morey's book The New Atheism and the Erosion of Freedom. Also, I recommend, J.P. Moreland/Kai Neilson debate on the subject. Both are refreshing and intellectually stimulating.
As for your last statement, do not modern evolutionists hold that life came from water? Or is that you disagree with them too?
Lastly, the atheist still has to answer the second part of my post. In order to rationally believe that there is no god, gods, or goddesses, the atheist must meet all those criteria. If that is the case and the atheist does declare no god, then we have a self-contradictory statement, and therefore illogical.
P.S. good arguements I hope that we can continue to talk on good terms. I bear no ill will.
"That's me in the corner. That's me in the spotlight, losing my religion." REM
And thank God I lost my religion.
The Big Dawg
atheism vs. christianity, a response to unanswered questions .
christian--dr william lane craig.
atheist--frank zindler.
Ok, let's look at the atheist's position logically. No Bible required.
Atheist ascert that
in the entire universe
there has never existed in the past
nor now existing in the present
nor will ever exist in the future
any god, gods, or goddesses
of any size, shape, or description.
First, what we have in this sentence is what is termed in logic a universe negative. Universal negatives can not be proven. Since universal negatives can not be proven or demonstrated then to affirm a universal negative is irrational.
Secondly, in order to prove that there is no god, one must become God.
A. You must be everywhere at one time, therefore omnipresent and infinite.
B. You must be able to travel from the past, to the present, and into the future at the same time. This means you would be eternal.
C. You must be able to know all things. Making you omniscient.
D. In order to be omnipresent, infinite, eternal and omniscient you would need to be omnipotent. Therefore, you would be God.
If only an infinite, eternal, omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent God can declare that there is no God, then you have a self-contradictory statement which is a violation of logic, and is also irrational.
So folks, it is more of a "blind leap" to be an atheist. Atheiism is a blind leap because it is irrational and illogical.
See how easy that was? No name calling, no straw men, just looking at the view with plain hard logic.
ThiChi, this is "free thinking", maybe you should try it.
DanielHaase, I do not have blind faith in the Bible. The book has been affirmed by people more learned than you or I (I will not bore you with the names, besides they are out there if you choose to look for them).
FunkyDerek, if you quote the Bible please remember that a passage out of context is a pretext for a prooftext. Funny how old JW habits refuse to die. [8>]
Please have fun, and play nice
"That's me in the corner. That's me in the spotlight, losing my religion." REM
And thank God I lost my religion.
The Big Dawg
atheism vs. christianity, a response to unanswered questions .
christian--dr william lane craig.
atheist--frank zindler.
I am a "free thinker." The difference between my free thinking and yours, is simple. I don't look down on people that disagree with me.
"That's me in the corner. That's me in the spotlight, losing my religion." REM
And thank God I lost my religion.
The Big Dawg
atheism vs. christianity, a response to unanswered questions .
christian--dr william lane craig.
atheist--frank zindler.
ThiChi,
You wrote,
Thanks for the info. THe point is that no one here has life all tied up in a nice little box. Free thinkers know better.......
So as a "free thinker" you are superior? Puh-lease
"That's me in the corner. That's me in the spotlight, losing my religion." REM
And thank God I lost my religion.
The Big Dawg
