Posts by punkofnice

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How did Revelation make it in the bible?? It's a drug fuelled trip!

by Witness 007 in

catholic church killed off alot of christian books from the "offical" bible collection.

so why let thru the weird book of revelation?

have you read the watchtowers explanation it's a joke rutherford's conventions play a huge part..

punkofnice

Aby - prophecies about our time

Oooooh, I don't know. I'm sure we want to believe it's our time because the world isn't all that grand...and I'm not being a nay-sayer, just relating to the people in it.

If these were 'prophecies', which I highly doubt are credible; how do we know it isn't relating to a thousand years from now?

This is what I struggle with now I'm not religious. I'm sure that using scriptures you could prove a green dragon lives in Nebuchadnezzar's garage in Toronto.

There are unscriptural things in the Bible such as Numbers 31:17, 18.

Strike a light, mate. Are you a believer or not?

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New World Translation is not much different other translations

by Abraham1 in

key scripture 2 timothy 3:16 should have been translated as “every scripture inspired of god is also profitable for teaching” like many other serious translations (such as american standard version ; douay-rheims bible etc) as it is what the greek text says.. this is in harmony with the contents of bible and also with the writer paul himself who knew after his departure ‘even from his own number men will arise and distort the truth.’ (acts 20:29-30) for example, verses such as romans 7:19 is such distortion.

such verses cannot originate from real paul who was “holy, righteous and blameless.” (1 thessalonians 2:10) hence paul had the freeness of speech to tell others to be “blameless” like him (1 thessalonians 5:19-23; ephesians 5:24) there are many things in the scriptures which are not inspired such as words of satan, words of job’s wife and his false friends, words of judas, lot’s daughters …etc.

apostle peter never disowned jesus because if he had done so, his contemporaries would have interrupted him when he rebuked jews, saying: “you disowned the holy and righteous one and asked that a murderer be released to you.“ (acts 3:14) his listeners would have asked him “what right do you have to reprove us for ‘disowning jesus” when you yourself have done it first?” all such verses or accounts were later adoptions.

punkofnice

. I find this interesting, so thanks for your replies thus far.Aby - I get what you're saying, and were I still a JW or religious, I'd probably agree with you. However, 'roaring and tossing sea' doesn't tell us anything that you state.

How did you get 'air pollution' tagged on to the sea level? The chapter in Thess in context is dubious that you can equate it to this time period.

Wouldn't you agree that there is absolutely no evidence in this scripture that it relates to this time period?

I still maintain albeit respectfully, that scriptures are being used to fit a modern day agenda of doom.

It seems the same way that Nostradamus is used with his vague words to fit a modern narrative.

Sorry, I'm not convinced that the Bible is actually saying what you think it says. Also, I bet a pound (£) to a pinch of salt that other Christian denominations will interpret it all differently. Do you agree that they will? If so, who is correct?

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How did Revelation make it in the bible?? It's a drug fuelled trip!

by Witness 007 in

catholic church killed off alot of christian books from the "offical" bible collection.

so why let thru the weird book of revelation?

have you read the watchtowers explanation it's a joke rutherford's conventions play a huge part..

punkofnice

Aby - I do not believe the media because they are usually agenda driven and part of a left or right wing propaganda drive.

We can all just pick the media that acts as an echo chamber for us or says what we want it to say.

Having said that, I still can't see what you're asserting from vague words in old writings. How do you know it isn't relating to something totally different in a different time?

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How did Revelation make it in the bible?? It's a drug fuelled trip!

by Witness 007 in

catholic church killed off alot of christian books from the "offical" bible collection.

so why let thru the weird book of revelation?

have you read the watchtowers explanation it's a joke rutherford's conventions play a huge part..

punkofnice

Because Revelation 11:18 speaks of a time when people "ruin" the fine-tuning of earth.

I see what you are saying but it doesn't say anything about the fine tuning of the Earth. It doesn't matter what a Greek word says, that's just academic.

In another 100 years time, they'll be saying something else 'trendy' about it.

....and please, do me a favour, never quote the Guardian as authority, it's utter garbage written by Lefty, woke, neo Marxist activists.

Until the Bible states something exactly, without resorting to people shoehorning things in or making something out of a vagueness for their own agenda, I remain sceptical. I think that's reasonable, don't you?

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How did Revelation make it in the bible?? It's a drug fuelled trip!

by Witness 007 in

catholic church killed off alot of christian books from the "offical" bible collection.

so why let thru the weird book of revelation?

have you read the watchtowers explanation it's a joke rutherford's conventions play a huge part..

punkofnice

Book of Revelation may have many human inputs, yet it has some real prophetic elements such as 11:18 which speaks of a time earth will undergo Climate Emergency, and now we are experiencing it.

How do you get from some vague words in an old collection of writings to 'climate emergency'?

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New World Translation is not much different other translations

by Abraham1 in

key scripture 2 timothy 3:16 should have been translated as “every scripture inspired of god is also profitable for teaching” like many other serious translations (such as american standard version ; douay-rheims bible etc) as it is what the greek text says.. this is in harmony with the contents of bible and also with the writer paul himself who knew after his departure ‘even from his own number men will arise and distort the truth.’ (acts 20:29-30) for example, verses such as romans 7:19 is such distortion.

such verses cannot originate from real paul who was “holy, righteous and blameless.” (1 thessalonians 2:10) hence paul had the freeness of speech to tell others to be “blameless” like him (1 thessalonians 5:19-23; ephesians 5:24) there are many things in the scriptures which are not inspired such as words of satan, words of job’s wife and his false friends, words of judas, lot’s daughters …etc.

apostle peter never disowned jesus because if he had done so, his contemporaries would have interrupted him when he rebuked jews, saying: “you disowned the holy and righteous one and asked that a murderer be released to you.“ (acts 3:14) his listeners would have asked him “what right do you have to reprove us for ‘disowning jesus” when you yourself have done it first?” all such verses or accounts were later adoptions.

punkofnice

This has interested me for a few years now, I ask - How do we know Jesus existed? Just because an old book (collection of books), says something doesn't mean it's true, does it?

When Jesus speaks of future events (such as pollution and sea-level rise—Revelation 11:18; Luke 21:25) it comes true.

I'd be interested to know how you come to this conclusion. The verses seem rather vague. Don't you agree?

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New World Translation is not much different other translations

by Abraham1 in

key scripture 2 timothy 3:16 should have been translated as “every scripture inspired of god is also profitable for teaching” like many other serious translations (such as american standard version ; douay-rheims bible etc) as it is what the greek text says.. this is in harmony with the contents of bible and also with the writer paul himself who knew after his departure ‘even from his own number men will arise and distort the truth.’ (acts 20:29-30) for example, verses such as romans 7:19 is such distortion.

such verses cannot originate from real paul who was “holy, righteous and blameless.” (1 thessalonians 2:10) hence paul had the freeness of speech to tell others to be “blameless” like him (1 thessalonians 5:19-23; ephesians 5:24) there are many things in the scriptures which are not inspired such as words of satan, words of job’s wife and his false friends, words of judas, lot’s daughters …etc.

apostle peter never disowned jesus because if he had done so, his contemporaries would have interrupted him when he rebuked jews, saying: “you disowned the holy and righteous one and asked that a murderer be released to you.“ (acts 3:14) his listeners would have asked him “what right do you have to reprove us for ‘disowning jesus” when you yourself have done it first?” all such verses or accounts were later adoptions.

punkofnice

Smidster - Christian religious faith is that people tend to cherry pick what scriptures they want to believe as inspired by God

I was thinking along the same lines.

Each version of the Christian faith has different beliefs about what the Bible says or what they think it means.

This is why I don't believe the Bible is inspired of a god or whatever because if it was, the message would be obvious and all Christians would believe the same thing exactly. There would be no doubt about what it says.

Oh, and well done God for having it written in a redundant language. What an intergalactic putz.

I'd be interested in a logical reason why all this is. What have you got folks?

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What changes are on the way?

by insearchoftruth in

i was listening to the co talk to my wife’s congregation on sunday and pretty much the complete talk was justifying doctrinal and organizational changes and pretty much preparing the ‘rank and file’ for upcoming changes.

anyone on hear have any insight of what ‘new light’ is coming in the future?.