hebrews 6:4-8. for it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the holy spirit, 5 and have tasted the goodness of the word of god and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the son of god to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.
7 for land that has drunk the rain that often falls on it, and produces a crop useful to those for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing from god.
8 but if it bears thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near to being cursed, and its end is to be burned.. but then i read articles that say that you cannot lose your salvation and that this scripture isn't talking about that.. but then 2 timothy says.
I80 - What do you think?
If you had 500 theologians discussing this, lots of them would disagree on their interpretation.
This is why I find discussion of these things a bit pointless.
We all think differently. We may say, 'There's either something after death or there isn't.'
dear brothers!.
we have gathered here because, according to your claims, i have apostatized, and as elders, it is your duty to maintain the purity of the flock.
it seems now that someone has contaminated it, apparently.
DFbro - I was an elder(tm), and I can assure you, that after what I experienced, the Watchtower Corporation(tm) is not a bona fide religion.
Perhaps it started out with religious intentions but it is now nothing more than a big business posing as a religion. It is fake.
The Corporation(tm)....and that title should give it away, only exists to give the parasites at the top a lifestyle.
Look at the CEO's of the Corporation(tm), the governing Body(tm)(Pee be upon them), I do believe they're only in it for the rock star life style they achieve by duping all the JWs around the world.
Think!
dear brothers!.
we have gathered here because, according to your claims, i have apostatized, and as elders, it is your duty to maintain the purity of the flock.
it seems now that someone has contaminated it, apparently.
Oh, well. DFBro got that of his chest. There is a lot of pain caused by the ungodly rules of the Watchtower Corporation(tm). Until you come to realise that it isn't a real religion and that it is a big money grabbing business, a fake religion, it's hard to reconcile why they do these unChristian things.
I agree, too long to read all of it, really.
the "independent scotland" thread got me thinking on this.
there are a lot of brits on this board.
what are your thoughts on brexit?
SBF - It’s a complete disaster
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putting this under "friends" because i couldn't figure out where to put it.
it is very often on here and in ex jw videos, ect that people like to undermine some of those who once we would have called friends.
there seems to be a view that window washers, plumbers, cleaners, construction workers are somehow less intelligent than those who may be college educated.
People are tribal. People are self serving. People are daft. People have a thing called 'ego'. Some people erroneously think they're better than others because of many different factors.
It's a shame. That's why we don't get along as we should,
atheist scientists now agree that "elasmotherium sibiricu" lived with humans.
all they had to do was read their bible to know that.
job 39:9 “will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?”.
Why 'atheist scientists'? That sounds like a bit of journo weasel wording.
Of course, that the Bible mentions unicorns, may not be referring to the wee beastie above.
It's a bit speculative, based on what we know currently.
That could all change.
i believe this list which many of us worked on needs to see the light of day again...and added to if possible.. you know you are in the wrong religion:1. when the all important question is not: "do you believe in the lord jesus christ?"....but....
"do you believe in the "faithful and discreet slave" appointed in brooklyn in 1919?"2.
when you will be refused baptism if: a. you don't believe jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bc (whereas all non-jw scholars, all encyclopedias and all history books say this event took place in 587 bc.)b.
When your cult has its own version of the Bible, yet is not called a 'Bible'.
When it has passages altered beyond the original text, to conform to the latest whims of men in America. Men that pretend the business term 'governing body(tm) (Pee be upon them), is a Biblical term.
any opinions are just speculation, but my guess, being morbid, is that there was not a hull breach and implosion (although that would have been the most merciful fate for them), but instead the amateur level of building this thing meant that it lost power and communication and got itself tangled in the titanic's wreckage or is sitting on the actual seabed with no way to release ballast to resurface.
terrifying.
what's your gut feeling?
nomis - So why was it such a big news story for so long?
Well, wasn't there a hearing about corrupt pedo president Bidens crack-head money laundering son?
Nah, that couldn't be it ... we can totally trust the US government and the media.
I was wondering what all the attention on the sub was.
I even said to a few people that it was a media smokescreen for something else.
The Bidens? Yes. Why not?
We all know Biden Jnr will get away with anything and any seeming chastisement is all pantomime.
I repeat George Carlin about our disgusting, corrupt politicians in this world (as usual), 'It's a big club and you aint in it!'
i believe this list which many of us worked on needs to see the light of day again...and added to if possible.. you know you are in the wrong religion:1. when the all important question is not: "do you believe in the lord jesus christ?"....but....
"do you believe in the "faithful and discreet slave" appointed in brooklyn in 1919?"2.
when you will be refused baptism if: a. you don't believe jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bc (whereas all non-jw scholars, all encyclopedias and all history books say this event took place in 587 bc.)b.
I wonder if a relevant question could be....
Does it feel wrong and you have to keep convincing yourself to ignore the red flags to be happy with it?
any opinions are just speculation, but my guess, being morbid, is that there was not a hull breach and implosion (although that would have been the most merciful fate for them), but instead the amateur level of building this thing meant that it lost power and communication and got itself tangled in the titanic's wreckage or is sitting on the actual seabed with no way to release ballast to resurface.
terrifying.
what's your gut feeling?
What do I think?
It's a tragedy.
There's a lot of noise surrounding it and I kind of get it but at the same time I kind of don't.
The occupants of the sub are people after all.
