Posts by maksym

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by freetosee in

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Can anyone prove that birthday celebrations are forbidden by God?

by FaithfulBrother in

i know that there is no mention of any birthday celebrations in the bible besides the two which were celebrated by non-believers.

and it just so happened that on each of these events, someone died (one non-believer and one believer).

but does it mean that just because the bible mentions these two events, that all birthday celebrations are forbidden?

A Genetic Logic Fallacy is a line of "reasoning" in which a percieved defect in the orign of a claim or thing is taken to be evidence that discredits the claim or thing itself. It is also a line of reasoning in which the origin of a claim or thing is taken to be evidence for the claim or thing. This sort of "reasoning" takes on the following form:

1. The origin of a claim or thing is presented.

2. The claim is true (or false) or the thing is supported ( or discredited)

Key point: So, the Genetic Fallacy is committed whenever an idea is evaluated based upon irrelevant history, or one uses the origins of something to determine its claim of support or unsupport for something.

Example for Jehovah's Witnesses: The Bible records birthdays and the pagan people that celebrated these events. During those events bad things happened. Therefore birthdays are bad today and only pagans would do them. Christians or good people would not.

Example 2: Coca cola company originally put coccaine into their soda products. We all know this is a drug and harmful to us which one can become addicted. Anyone that wants to fight the war against drugs and keep people away from addictive substances should not drink Coca cola products regardless if they no longer contain any illegal substance. People working to maintain a drug free society today should not drink Coca cola products.

This can also be called Fallacy of origins.

For Christians we believe that God can and has the power to change pagan things into Holy things. Many Christian traditions started out from pagan origins however they can be transposed into a good thing.

Because there is no direct Scripture either that mentioned the forbidding of birthdays, the so-called theologians at the WT corporation feel the liberty to include this abstaining from birthdays based on a fallacy. It therefore becomes a man made tradition.

Peace, and hope that helps,

Makysm

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Why did you become one of Jehovah's Witnesses?

by Celestial in

any other reason than the arbitrary explanation that you were brainwashed or seduced by a millenarianist doomsday cult?.

maksym

Former cradle Watchtower adherent here. I suppose the short answer was peer pressure to be baptized and go along with all the family.

I was naieve and had not studied other religions or questioned the watchtower theology. Most of the stuff seemed logical and I suppose a great deal of fear was buliding in which I needed to continue or die as worm meat and be forgotten.

I think the bigger question you should ask is to those who have moved on to another church. This is considered the worst sin for a Jehovah's Witness.

I am happy to say today I am no longer under mind control.

I am happy to say today I am with Christ as my mediator and Savour.

I am happy to say today I have found the truth.

I am happy to say today eternal life awaits me.

I am happy to say I have made many new friends in my new church.

In Christ,

Maksym

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Give Some Logical Points To Prove That JWs Do Not Have The Truth

by minimus in

jw
friends

the one thing that got to me was that this religion is illogical.

their "logic" is ridiculous, especially when it comes to their blood doctrine.

downright weird!.

maksym

Comments by Watchtower on Johannes Greber, a spiritist and who wrote a book and translated the New Testament through automatic writing in a seance with his wife.

“Says Johannes Greber in the introduction of his translation of the New Testament, copyrighted in 1937: “I myself was a Catholic priest, and until I was forty-eight years old had never as much as believe in the possibility of communicating with the world of God’s spirits. The day came, however, when I involuntarily took my first step toward such communication, and experienced things that shook me to the depths of my soul. ... My experiences are related in a book that has appeared in both German and English and bears the title, Communicating with the Spirit-World: Its Laws and It’s Purpose.” In keeping with his Roman Catholic extraction Greber’s translation is bound with a gold-leaf cross on its stiff cover. In the Foreword of his aforementioned book ex-priest Greber says: “The most significant spiritualistic book is the Bible.” Under this impression Greber endeavors to make his New Testament translation read very spiritualistic....Very plainly the spirits in which ex-priest Greber believes helped him in his translation.”

15 February 1956 Watchtower, pages 110 and 111

It comes as no surprise that one Johannes Greber, a former Catholic clergyman, has become a spiritualist and has published the book entitled “Communication with the Spirit World, Its Laws and Its Purpose.” In its Foreword he makes the typical misstatement: “The most significant spiritualistic book is the Bible; for its principal contents hinge upon the messages of the beyond to those existing in the present.”

What do the Scriptures say about “Survival after Death”? 1955, P. 88

Therefore even the Watchtower admits that Johannes Greber was an ex-Catholic priest who converted to spiritism. So what is in his book that the “spirits” gave him knowledge of? What did he write about?

Claims of corruption fo the Holy Scriptures-

The spirit who spoke to Greber instructed him in a way similar to the Watchtower, to justify that believers must depend on new teachings being brought forth by, in this case, spiritism and in the Watchtower society, saying...
“.....Later, many erroneous human opinions and dogmas, that do not agree with Christ’s teachings, were introduced. ...But the time will come when the teachings of Christ will be restored to man in their full purity and truth...Moreover, the originals of the documents relating to the New Testament, even when they have been presereved, have been altered not a few places.

Communication with the Spirit World of God, Its Laws and Purpose by Johannes Greber p. 20

The Watchtower also says the Bible has been tampered with by inserting Jehovah in the text over 237 times in which the original was not there in the LXX. They believe the Divine name was eliminated by copyists. They also believe in a concept of "New Light", something that is also demonic in it's use and principle.
See New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures -1950, p 18

The final deception draws people into error-

Johannes explains:

“What captivated me most of all and, I might say, irresistibly, was the clear-cut reasoning and the convincing logic of that to which I had listened for the first time in my life. Only the truth could exert so great influence upon me, an influence from which I had not the power to withdraw, even had I been so inclined. So much of the Bible which had heretofore been obscure to me, I now understood quite clearly”

Communicating with the Spirit World of God, Its Laws and purpose by Johannes Greber p. 29,30

The Watchtowers view of scripture.

The same is true of the Watchtower techniques to lure people into the Watchtower Organization: Clear-cut reasoning, convincing logic (although untrue) and of course manipulation of difficult verses (taken out of the context). As Greber was convinced that he had heard “the truth” so are converted Jehovah’s Witnesses. Jehovah's witnesses are logicions and take scriptures as literal as they can get away with. Logic alone does not lead to spiritual truth.

Careful examination of Greber’s writings to the teachings of the watchtower society that is God’s so-called “channel” .

1. God has a body

(Taught by demons)
CSWG P. 260 says: “Material forms are images of spiritual forms, and since all material things have and shape, so, too, have all spiritual things, and so also, has God.”

(Taught by Watchtower)
Insight on the Scriptures p 348 says: “The bodies of spirit persons (God, Christ, the angels) are glorious.

2. God is not omnipresent
(Taught under a demonic seance)
CSWG P. 260 says: “Inasmuch as God possesses shape and personality, He is not omnipresent... ....But as a personified spirit. He is not everywhere.

(Taught by Watchtower)
Insight on the Scriptures p. 969 says: “The true God is not omnipresent, for he is spoken of as having a location.

3. God has no foreknowledge in the affairs of men

(Taught under a demonic seance)
CSWG P. 263 says: “You know that I am telling you the truth in this, as I have done in all else. You have had plenty of proof of the fact that I am a truthful spirit. For this you have my oath taken in the name of the Almighty, the true God. When I tell you that God has no foreknowledge of the voluntary actions of men, I am not detracting from His greatness.”

(Taught by Watchtower)
WT Jan 1, 1951 p.31,32 says: “Jehovah God knows from of old or from the beginning what works he is going to do, and therefore declares them for our information, as he did at Genesis 3:15. But he does not choose always to intrude his foreknowledge into what his creatures are going to do, but lets them exercise their free will as free moral agents.

4. There is no Trinity
(Taught under demonic seance)
CSWG P 265 says: “ You teach of the union of three persons in one Godhead, maintaining that there are three Spirits, each of which is a true Deity, but which, when united, are one God as to substance. This is a piece of human fallacy and is an absurdity. There is no union of three persons and no Trinity in the sense which you teach. God is an individual person. Only the Father is God. All other holy spirits are God’s creatures. None of them is the Father’s equal.

(Taught by Watchtower)
Trinity Brochure says on page 31: “Hence, to worship God on his terms means to reject the Trinity doctrine.”

5.Christ is not God.
(Taught by demonic Seance)
CSWG P 301, 330 says: “Christ Himself was not God, but only the first of God’s sons,...Christ was therefore the Son of God, and claimed to be nothing more. He was not the Deity. Not once did He say: ‘I am God’. Not once did He assert that He was God’s equal in any respect.”

(Taught by Watchtower)
Insight on the Scriptures Vol. 2, p 52 says: “Thus the Scriptures identify the Word (Jesus in his pre-human existence) as God’s creation, his firstborn Son.”

Should you Believe in the Trinity p 20 states: “Jesus never claimed to be God. Should you believe in the Trinity?”

6 Christ is created.

(Taught under demonic seance)
CSWG P. 267 says: “Christ is the highest Spirit which the omnipotent God could create... Christ is therefore not God, as is so generally taught today, but the first created “Son of God”, and, and such, His highest and most perfect Creature.” And on page 301 Greber writing from a spirit medium says: “ Christ is the highest of the spirits created by God and the sole one to be created directly. He was but one of God’s creatures and as such, not eternal like God.

(Taught under demonic seance)
Insight on the Scriptures Vol. 2, page 52 says: “Thus the Scriptures identify the Word (Jesus in his pre-human existence) as God’s first creation, his firstborn Son. ....that this Son was actually a creature of God...”

(Taught by Watchtower)
WT February 1 1991, p. 17 says: “ ...but as the “only begotten Son” he is the only one who was directly created by Jehovah God.”

7 Christ was used by God to create everything else.
(Taught under demonic seance)
CSWG P 267,268 says, “...the entire spirit-world was brought into existence not by direct Divine creation, as was God’s first-born Son, but was called into being through that Son upon Whom God had conferred creative power.”

(Taught by Watchtower)
Insight on the Scriptures, Vol. 2 p. 52 says: “Rather then a co-creator, then the Son was the agent or instrumentality through whom Jehovah, the Creator, worked.”

8 Jesus is only one of many Sons of God
(Taught under demonic seance)
CSWG p. 270 says: “Even on his angels God cannot rely, the very heavens are stained to Him’ are true of every created spirit save only of the FIRST Son of God.”

(Taught by Watchtower)
Insight on the Scriptures, Vol. 2 p. 52 says: “This FIRSTBORN spirit Son was used by his Father in the creation of all other things. This would include the millions of OTHER SPIRIT SONS of Jehovah God’s heavenly family...”

9. Christ did not rise bodily.
(Taught under demonic seance)
CSWG p. 385 says: “Not even of Christ was the natural body raised.”

(Taught by Watchtower)
Insight on the Scriptures Vol. 2 pp. 785,786 says: “Jesus Christ....And his resurrection was “in the Spirit,” to life in heaven.”

10 Christ’s appearances were materializations.
(Taught under demonic seance)
CSWG p. 351 says, “Materialized in human form, Christ appeared to those who had been closest to Him... The fact Christ after his death upon earth appeared to his followers in material form has led you to the erroneous conclusion that His spirit re-entered His former physical body. p. 387 says: “ In reality He mad Himself visible in the same manner in which all spirits do so, namely by materialization of his spiritual body.”

(Taught by Watchtower)
Insight on the Scriptures Vol. 2 p. 786 says: “...for 40 days after his resurrection Jesus appeared to his disciples on different occasions in various fleshly bodies, just as angels had appeared to men of ancient times.”

11 There is no hell.
(Taught under demonic seance)
CSWG p. 263 says: “Among other things which you teach, incorrectly, as it happens, is the doctrine of eternal damnation. Page 265 says: “Furthermore you teach of a God Who inflicts eternal punishment and you teach of an everlasting Hell. Hell is not everlasting. God is love. He does not condemn any creature eternally.

(Taught by Watchtower)
Live forever in paradise p. 81 says: “Did Almighty God create such a place of torment?... If the idea of roasting people in fire had never come into God’s heart,...does it seem reasonable that he created a fiery hell for those who do not serve him?

12 Distortion of Matthew 27:52, 53
(Taught under demonic seance)
CSWG p. says: “The earth shook and the rocks were rent, but the story recorded in your version of the Gospel of Saint Matthew had risen from their tombs and had been seen by many in Jerusalem is a falsification of one of the original, ...accurate texts, which reads: ‘The veil in the temple was rent in two from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks were rent; and the tombs were opened; and many bodies of those who had fallen asleep were cast forth. Many, who had come from the holy city, did see the bodies lying there’.

(Taught by Watchtower)
Aid to Bible Understanding p. says: “The text at Matthew 27:52, 53 concerning the “memorial tombs that were opened”....these verses do not describe a resurrection but merely a throwing of bodies out of their tombs,... And here the Watchtower supports Greber’s book and insight by saying, “The translation by Johannes Greber (1937) of these verses reads as follows: “Tombs were laid open, and many bodies of those buried were tossed upright.”

All of the above came from Watchtower sources that support a book with teachings in it that came from a spirit medium. Demons taught Greber and he wrote a book using automatic writing or a spirit medium. Demons led Greber away from the Catholic church and Christianity and taught him Watchtower doctrine.

It is pretty apparent here that Watchtower doctrine is nothing more than the teachings of demons.

If you are a Jehovah’s witness reading this you have been fooled. You are under Satan’s organization, Babylon the Great and false religion.

In Christ,

Maksym

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Grandma attacked by pitbulls and saved by bible throwing JWs

by InquiryMan in

http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/304267/28/jehovah-witnesses-hurl-bibles-at-pit-bulls-attacking-grandma.

maksym

This was my worst nightmare as a watchtower member.

God bless that poor woman. She meant well even though her message is wrong. God bless those people that helped her too.

Scary

Peace

Maksym

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Reminder

by Iamallcool in

jw
friends

dont feed the troll, rick fearon.

he just posted about one hour ago.

just stay away from his threads.

maksym

I like Rick.

Why the negativity.

I have to second what talesin posted. Let's be positive.

The key point is not everyone will agree to the best way to release the captives of the watchtower but that is okay. Rick has done a great deal of effort to help people. To each his own method. Not everything works the same with every person.

Peace

Maksym

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What is a fresh annointing

by StopTheTears in

jw
friends

i was driving home the other night and felt god say to me that i needed a fresh anointing.. .

i came home and told my landlady what happened to me.

the first thing she said was "how do you get a fresh anointing?

maksym

Ask some Christian friends to pray for you.

If you are part of a Liturgical church I would say to go to communion. This is not really an annointing but is a strengthening and for the remission of sins.

Speak to a spiritual person you trust rather than discuss this on the forum.

God bless you,

Peace

Maksym

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Getting rid of your blood card may not be enough

by maksym in

i want to share a potential problem that could come up in regards to those that have left the watchtower corporation and no longer accept their doctrines concerning blood.. obviously step one would be to get rid of the blood card; however.... recently i was put in the hospital to have an apendectomy.

the usual occurs in which a screening process is performed and records are updated before a major surgery; at least if your conscience.. one question the adminstrator nurse asked was whether i was still a jehovahs witness member of that church and if i still refused to accept blood.

i quickly updated my files telling them my current status and said i would accept blood.. the blood card was an indicator in an emergency if you were to be rushed to a hospital you did not know.. hospital records are not updated unless we choose to inform them.

maksym

I want to share a potential problem that could come up in regards to those that have left the watchtower corporation and no longer accept their doctrines concerning blood.

Obviously step one would be to get rid of the blood card; however...

Recently I was put in the hospital to have an apendectomy. The usual occurs in which a screening process is performed and records are updated before a major surgery; at least if your conscience.

One question the adminstrator nurse asked was whether I was still a Jehovahs Witness member of that church and if I still refused to accept blood. I quickly updated my files telling them my current status and said I would accept blood.

The blood card was an indicator in an emergency if you were to be rushed to a hospital you did not know.

Hospital records are not updated unless we choose to inform them. This is particularly evident in your local area and the most recent hospitals that you may have visited or had treatment when you were a Jehovah's witness church member.

It is something to think about. A bit of advice is to visit the local hospital in your area and get your records updated.

In an emergency, had I been unconscience , and in a life threatening situation, they could have not given me blood and perhaps lead to death over a theological principle that I no longer hold to be true.

My hospital records are now changed.

Peace Maksym

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