DesirousOfChange

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  Normal Family Relations Continue...My Arse....

  by HiddenPimo in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i think that the big issue here is the double standard based on the location of the family members - if they are 'immediate' meaning they live at home in the same dwelling under the same roof then it's ok but if you are like me and living on your own, your family will absolutely avoid contact with you as that is the real jw policy..the old canada court trial and recent swedish news are totally out of context and the jw attorneys are complete tools and filthy liars....

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  I think the youtube video of the WT attorney in the Canadian Court allows JWs who WANT to have association with their family members to do so, less it be said the WT Rep was LYING under oath in Court.

  If someone (ie, an elder) challenges you on that, suggest to them that they are behind on the current position and that this is the NEWEST LIGHT on the matter and if they question it ask them to write to the WT Service Department for clarification -- and that you want to know specifically if the WT attorney was telling the truth, or not!
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  November 2019 Watchtower (Would love to hear the comments in the hall)

  by pleaseresearch in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  from the november 2019 watchtower study edition.. how many of you would like to know what the brothers and sisters would respond to this question.

  also, if you went into a hall how would you like to respond to the question.. 8. how should we respond to lies?.

  8 satan, “the father of the lie,” uses those under his control to spread lies about jehovah and about our brothers and sisters.

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  I'd reply: What i find interesting is that is exactly how the Catholic Church originally replied to all the accusations of sexual abuse!
  
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  What can a therapist really do?

  by Thetruthhurts in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  hi all, i've not read the forums for awhile as i've been trying to move on with my life but i'm back and posting for the first time feeling like i cant get a grip.

  so i'm wondering for those of you that have seen a therapist and say that it truly helps, what can be accomplished?

  i'm just really skeptical, but starting to feel desperate.

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  DesirousOfChange

  As mentioned, if you have not read Steven Hassan's book, Combating Cult Mind Control, ORDER IT NOW.
  
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  "Do you believe that the 'faithful slave' is God's channel of communication?"

  by The Fall Guy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if a jw had the nerve to ask me this question, i'd say to them, "you go first.

  using only scriptural proof, show me why you believe that the wtbts/ccojw is god's choice and i'll tell you if i agree with your scriptural reasoning.".

  wait for the silence and the rabbit in the headlights moment.. i searched on the wt cd rom for references of "channel of communication.".

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  I only see that question as relevant if it is two Elders asking you to "go on the record". In that case, if you are a "Fader", you damn well better say: "HELL YES! Who else would we go to?"

  You might also add, "I'm offended you would even ask such a question!"
  
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  Confession Time - Music You're Embarrassed to Admit Listening To

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  admit it, we all have things that we reel off when people ask what our favourite music is, just the same as if people ask what our favourite movies are.

  we're meant to say "citizen kane" and "casablanca" and not "battleship" or "pacific rim" but we know what we're going to watch if they are ever on tv at the same time (and which ones we've never actually seen).. so how about some confession time?

  what do you listen to when no one else is in the house?.

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  Although I no longer listen to this, I'm embarrassed to say I did for many years.

  
  
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  What would happen if Jepthas daughter disobeyed and got married anyway?

  by nowawake14 in

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  2. friends

  would jehovah kill her?

  or would she be shunned by her religion as a whole?

  say anything you would think of..

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  The patriarchal society....oldest adult male...head honcho...younger adult males, esp firstborn next...male children next stop on the totem pole...then adult women...female child the lowest in human terms. Whatever the story the female child had no rights. All they were to do is arrive at child bearing years and birth babies preferably male. In this story the female child never got to that highlight in her life.

  So what you're saying is that the Muslims have it right regarding their view of women. It's a godly "scriptural" view.
  
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  What would happen if Jepthas daughter disobeyed and got married anyway?

  by nowawake14 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  would jehovah kill her?

  or would she be shunned by her religion as a whole?

  say anything you would think of..

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  The only thing that would happen is that the Fairy Tale would have a different ending -- in this case Jepthah's daughter might "live happily ever after".

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  Lorterdan properties v. Watchtower court ruling about Ramapo property

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i found this court ruling about the ramapo property.

  is this the same were now the audio / video / digital content location is to be build?.

  https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/new-york/nysdce/7:2011cv03656/379925/39/.

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  Robert Zick, a Jehovah’s Witnesses spokesman, estimated it could take two years for the group to finish planning the project and up to another four to build the complex.

  Zick was not readily able to say why the project had a six-year timeline, but he said the bio-diverse nature of the site might make it complex to develop.

  WTS/GB is planning SIX YEARS ahead into this old system of things.

  
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  Reaching out

  by Reg andeson in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi everyone my name is reg anderson i am from new brunswick canada.

  i have currently relocated to toronto canada.

  i am currntly working in downtown toronto .

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  DesirousOfChange

  Reg, it sounds like you may have some serious problems that you would use some help with. I was an Elder for many years. Let me assure you that the Elders have NO training in how to help people who are facing serious issues!!! Life is complicated. Many of us have had marital problems, emotional problems, and problems in life from making some bad decisions. If you are facing anything like that -- Go see a professional counselor/therapist who has gone to school (University -- NOT "Elders' School") and is licensed to help with those things.

  Good luck to you!

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  U.S. Supreme Court Denies Watchtower’s Certiorari Plea

  by Jerome56 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/19-40.html.

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  DesirousOfChange

  oh oh Watchtower!