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  Help with 1975 please

  by jhine in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i answered a question on quora about jw flip flops .

  i mentioned, amongst other things , the 1975 debacle.

  how witnesses were told that armageddon was coming in the fall of that year.

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  DesirousOfChange

  Desirous of change, if that article affected your life, then that falls solely on you. ~ Ratt

  Naturally we are all responsible for our decisions. When we trust what some well-tended friend recommends (about a restaurant, a person to date, whatever) and find out we don't share their opinion, it was still our decision to give it a try.

  What that Awake! article makes clear to me is that WT/GB clearly have no voodoo hocus-pocus Holy Spirit directing them. It would be impossible to be wrong so many times (1914/1918/1925/1941/1975/2000). However, if you believe the Bible is God's Word then you should heed it's counsel at Deut 18:20-22 --

  20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death.”

  21 You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord?” 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed.

  YES they have claimed to be Jehovah's modern day prophet (like Ezekiel).

  Even Jesus gave the warning that should be clear that JW's are NOT his (or God's) representative. Luke21:8 --
  

  He replied: “Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and, ‘The time is near.’ Do not follow them.
  
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  Help with 1975 please

  by jhine in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i answered a question on quora about jw flip flops .

  i mentioned, amongst other things , the 1975 debacle.

  how witnesses were told that armageddon was coming in the fall of that year.

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  DesirousOfChange

  We were sure that if it did not occur by ‘75 , it would be soon after . Any cautionary words about not pinning hopes on the date were understood to mean it could be a few months after .... NOT 46 years and counting!~ BluesBrother
  

  Exactly. You can find the quote in the WT that clarified that 1975 was 6,000 years since ADAM'S CREATION, thus that did not mean it was the end of the "6th Creative Day" because Eve had not yet been created. To paraphrase, it said that surely (™) it was ONLY MONTHS OR A FEW YEARS and NOT MANY MANY YEARS OR DECADES before the creation of Eve than the end of the 6th Day.
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  JWs who are now paying the price of following the cult.

  by mickbobcat in

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  my in-laws are two such people.

  people who pioneered and did not work and try to save, instead they made just enough to get by and waited for the end to come.

  now my mil is in palliative care and the state is paying for her keep, my fil lives in a dilapidated home and can not keep it up.

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  We have family like this. Just now semi-retiring in their 60's but they still owe as much on their home as they originally paid for it decades ago because they kept refinancing it over and over again, paying off credit card &/or paying for trips to go serving where construction volunteers were needed by WT. They are still convinced they will never have to pay it off because The End is SOOOOOO CLOSE.

  And they are right! At their ages, they will not pay it off before The End comes. THEIR END.

  
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  What kind of job would you like to have?

  by Iamallcool in

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  it doesn’t have to be about big money.

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  What amazes me is when Watchtower gets it's butt in a slang, it asks for educated professionals to help them out.~ Overrated
  

  Yes! When they need legal counsel or some kind of medical assistance, shouldn't they be using those who are very "spiritual", ie, regular pioneers, etc?

  Obviously they are trusting in men (with college degrees) instead of on the Holy Spirit.
  
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  Was told I was not progressing!

  by Overrated in

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  you're doing everything you can, meeting attendance, field circus, helping out where you can and you are told your not progressing!?!

  as anyone had that happen to them in the "trooth "?.

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  DesirousOfChange

  Now is the time to take action!

  

  GTF outta there!
  
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  How can you have a deficit for a Circuit Assembly on Zoom??

  by pistolpete in

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  remember when after a circuit assembly the assembly overseer would come out right before the end of the assembly and make a special announcement;.

  "brothers, we have a financial deficit of $5,000 dollars for our circuit assembly.

  keep in mind that we have utilities and other expenses that need to be met.

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  I found that if you mentioned things like this to the average JW, they would just respond that the Society needs it to build Kingdumb Halls in poor countries around the world and/or to build the audio video studios.

  They have been conditioned to question nothing!
  
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  Disney Princesses

  by MeanMrMustard in

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  DesirousOfChange

  Not sure how Disney will be affected, but the new Superman is bisexual.
  
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  Help with 1975 please

  by jhine in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i answered a question on quora about jw flip flops .

  i mentioned, amongst other things , the 1975 debacle.

  how witnesses were told that armageddon was coming in the fall of that year.

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  DesirousOfChange

  This was the most damning article IMO. Most likely because I know how greatly it affected my life. May 22, 1969 Awake! magazine. It does not specifically mention 1975, but every JW knew that was what it was about.
  

  
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  What kind of job would you like to have?

  by Iamallcool in

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  it doesn’t have to be about big money.

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  DesirousOfChange

  A skilled surgeon just saved the life of a close family member. He was raised in a pretty normal, middle class family but was extremely bright and gifted and motivated.

  But then, he was allowed to go to medical school. Most of us here were just expected to get the equivalent of a 4-year degree (BTW, not enough to be a surgeon) from reading Awake! magazines.

  How many lives of bright, gifted, talented JW's were wasted peddling magazines for 10¢ contributions to support this effing Cult?
  
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  Watchtower January 2022 The Memorial

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  next years memorial article focuses on the two class system that they promote.. interestingly, they mention how the anointed are in two covenants.

  the new covenant and the kingdom covenant.

  they claim that both of these covenants opened up the way for a small number to become kings and priests in heaven.

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  DesirousOfChange

  I find it interesting how differently I look at these things now. In the past I would have consumed this article and read it multiple times so as to have a grasp on the "understanding" of the deeper troofs. Then, after discovering TTATT, I would still make efforts to stay informed about changes in doctrine, policy, etc. But, now, I can barely get through reading the posted comments here. It is all just soo ridiculous now IMO. It certainly has no bearing on our life any longer.