DesirousOfChange

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  The Watchtowers

  by BluesBrother in

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  edit .. i messed up the title, on this touchscreen tablet and now i can’t edit it !

  the title should be “ the watchtower’s (sort of) apology for 1975 ….. sorry.

  january 1st 1976, i remember that day when i heard a radio disc jockey gleefully announce that the world had not ended as jehovah’s witnesses had said it would .

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  DesirousOfChange

  I'd estimate that at least 50% of current JW's do not even remember the 1975 fiasco. They were not even born yet. The fact is that you have to be a born-in and at least 60 years old to recall it all. And you know damn well not to EVER mention it.

  What any one else learns about it when they discover it, the info is based on the "WT spin". You know the spin. The "brothers" (GB) never said that! Some people "ran ahead" of the organization. But you can find a lot of exaggerated misinformation from apostates.
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  Annual service report - yet another analysis - big trouble for the WTS

  by FFGhost in

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  there's already been a couple of threads on the 2021 report with insightful comments, but i'm vain enough to want to start my own topic with some additional thoughts..... as others on the other thread noted, it's useful to compare the 2021 numbers not only to 2020 but also 2019 (the last non-pandemic report).. there are some really troubling (if you're a wt headquarters guy) news in the latest report.. 1) baptisms plummet.

  2021 - 171,393. baptisms dropped 20% in 2020, and 30% more in 2021. the total drop from 2019 to 2021 is an amazing 44%.. one could argue that without in-person assemblies and conventions you'd expect baptisms to drop.

  but....if someone really wants to get baptized, jws will find a way.

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  DesirousOfChange

  Thanks for the great summary!

  The drop in baptism numbers does not surprise me. JW's have been dunking their kids at an earlier age year after year. I am aware of an 8 year old being baptized in a neighboring Cong. I can just hear the CO espousing how it will protect her in the future when she is faced with decisions (dating, association, alcohol, drugs, cigs), but IMO it's impossible to defend that an 8 year old is mature enough to make the most important decision of their life. Doubtful this kid is even allowed to determine their own bedtime.
  
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  Trampling of the nation's, persecution of holy ones.

  by Sardis in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  matthew 24:15.

  15 “therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place (let the reader use discernment),.

  luke 21:24 *(this scripture is incorrectly referenced to daniel 4:25. correct would be to revelation 11:2 nwt).

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  DesirousOfChange

  Welcome!

  I bet you've been here before under a different name.

  Trying to make something meaningful out that BS doctrine written by goat herders will make a person crazy!

  Guess you're not taking your Depakote?
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  Can Jehovah's Witnesses explain the overlapping generation?

  by pistolpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i found this interesting topic on the current views among jws regarding the overlapping generation.. the posts are hilarious.

  how do most jehovah's witnesses explain the overlapping generation?.

  i've asked a couple of jws to explain the overlapping generation and they directed me to the website jw------org.. either they don't know, or they do know but don't want to discuss it because they know it's bogus and embarrassing.. either way, surely they must know that this just extended the last days another 80 years from the time fred franz died.

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  DesirousOfChange

  There's always something terrible going on the world to keep an end times religion afloat.

  Yep!

  WW 1

  Great Depression

  WW 2

  Since things were going along pretty well in the 1960's, in 1966 Freddy F. concocted the 1975 doctrine.

  9/11

  End of the Millennium/20th Century

  Covid-19 is the new sign of The End. (At least for now.)
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  Can Jehovah's Witnesses explain the overlapping generation?

  by pistolpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i found this interesting topic on the current views among jws regarding the overlapping generation.. the posts are hilarious.

  how do most jehovah's witnesses explain the overlapping generation?.

  i've asked a couple of jws to explain the overlapping generation and they directed me to the website jw------org.. either they don't know, or they do know but don't want to discuss it because they know it's bogus and embarrassing.. either way, surely they must know that this just extended the last days another 80 years from the time fred franz died.

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  I know very few JW's who could have explained the original doctrine of "this generation" and explained how JW's arrive at 1914 as the start of the Last Days Times, time, and half a time and 2520 years from a year for a day and all that mumbo jumbo.

  Do ya see that BS in an recent publications? Or, on JW(dot)Borg? NO! They simply state that 1914 was the beginning of the Gentile Times and of the prophesied Last Days. Yeah, dumbass, it's simply a matter of record.

  JW's used to call at the doors with THREE scriptures and a 192-page book for a Bible Study.

  Then 32-page brochures took over more-or-less (less cost to print).

  Then 1 or 4 page tracts. (Remember the "Kingdom News" series?)
  

  NOW JW's CARRY A BUSINESS CARD STATING GO TO JW(DOT)bORG. And thanks to Covid, they just mail it in the mail randomly and anonymously. (But evidently sometimes they draw pretty shit on the envelope.)
  
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  Can Jehovah's Witnesses explain the overlapping generation?

  by pistolpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i found this interesting topic on the current views among jws regarding the overlapping generation.. the posts are hilarious.

  how do most jehovah's witnesses explain the overlapping generation?.

  i've asked a couple of jws to explain the overlapping generation and they directed me to the website jw------org.. either they don't know, or they do know but don't want to discuss it because they know it's bogus and embarrassing.. either way, surely they must know that this just extended the last days another 80 years from the time fred franz died.

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  DesirousOfChange

  We don't have many regular conversations anymore with JW's, but the few we do with JW family and an occasional "bump in" don't seem to concentrate on the "generation" aspect, bur rather just the NEARNESS. Any day now. Very, very soon. And isn't that evident by all the fulfillment of the signs ? Wars. Pestilence. (That's a biggie right now.) etc.

  Consider too that once a JW gets up there is age where their life is sealed -- that is, no longer any chance of making much of the change in the course they are on -- they have to believe it is near or else admit they will die.
  
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  Happy New Year

  by HappyDad in

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  wishing all of you a happy and prosperous new year.

  my wish is for everyone to find happiness.

  for those of you who are still having to keep up appearances (pimo's) because of family who are still in, my wish for you is anything that will open the eyes of your family members and finally be set free.. tonight here in minnesota, happydad will be celebrating with a bloody mary, right here at home in my sweats.

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  No rational reasoning with cult elders

  by UnshackleTheChains in

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  https://youtu.be/elm5y8t3pjs.

  this is why i can't in good conscience go back to the organisation.

  you are pressured to bring others into the cult and then for them to wake up and find they are caught in a web of rules and policies such as shunning.

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  DesirousOfChange

  The real question is "If you are a professed Christian will you obey Jesus and show love or obey Paul and shun?"

  Shunning is an act of love. Love of God and his principles. Love of "neighbor" as you are trying to readjust their thinking and save their everlasting life.

  Ya can't make this shit up!
  
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  So many are waking up. Pandemic gave jws time to think.

  by pistolpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is not about stats, but "actual experiences" happening world wide in the organization.

  there is about 156 comments of what some jws are seeing in their congregation.

  feel free to read and come to your own conclusion on whether the watchtower organization is turning pimo but no one says anything in order to keep family relations.

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  DesirousOfChange

  Almost two years without Kingdom hall meetings, conventions, and field service.

  It gives JWs some time to reflect.

  I also think that the isolation/lockdowns have given people a lot of time on their hands and much of it has been spent sitting at a computer. When they tire of Netflix and look for something interesting on Google it's easy to have some "anti-JW" pop up with all the JW things of interest they might be searching for.

  It only takes one domino.

  
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  So many are waking up. Pandemic gave jws time to think.

  by pistolpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is not about stats, but "actual experiences" happening world wide in the organization.

  there is about 156 comments of what some jws are seeing in their congregation.

  feel free to read and come to your own conclusion on whether the watchtower organization is turning pimo but no one says anything in order to keep family relations.

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  DesirousOfChange

  Thanks for that link, Pete.

  Very revealing!