Posts by DesirousOfChange

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Jehovah's Witnesses...loyal to God...or to the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society ?

by Balaamsass in

this month is a month of testing for jehovah's witnesses.

individually, each must ask himself: to whom are you loyal?

no doubt in ancient isreal many attended the molech and calf worshiping festivals out of loyalty to the nation, the king, and perhaps in a mistaken belief to "jehovah".

DesirousOfChange

Was this started even before the Watchtower declared JWs much obey the GB even if it does not seem rational? I'm thinking that was a WT issue in 2013 but too lazy to go check my notes.

Maybe you (Balaaamsass) are a better prophet than they profess to being?

But, isn't it obvious that JWs today give their loyalty to the WTS/GB? They have fallen to the lowest level of any "academia" as far as really studying or knowing what the Bible says. Most have no "Christian Trained Conscience" because they have not taken the time or effort to KNOW what the Bible says. They just puppet WT orders.

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Can Elders Voluntarily Resign?

by NotFormer in

an elder with half a brain (and they must exist 🧐) is going to see the writing on the wall with the way the wt is manoeuvring them into taking the fall over csa cases.

can an elder in good standing step down with no consequences, official or social?.

DesirousOfChange

My unbaptized teenage kids (because I would NOT allow that to happen) were becoming an issue so it made it easy to say I needed to spend more time with my family.

Best decision I ever made.

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Elders helping on blood

by road to nowhere in

i'm up against surgery for family again.

the nicest elder presently says he will (must) come to support the blood issue.

the decision was already discussed with the doctor by the family member.

DesirousOfChange

Personally I don't want to have to be polite and visit/ entertain others in these times either.

Whoever informed the "nice" elder should have STFU (assuming it was not the patient or at least it was the patient's choice to inform the elder.

Take a good book and ignore them all.

I'd recommend Crisis of Conscience, but that might not be the best choice under the circumstances.

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I received Blood...What are the JW's going to do to me?

by smoky21 in

i haven't posted on here for years.

i also don't frequent this forum like i used to.. i have posted my story before, like 8 years ago.

i have been a baptized witness for the last 30+ years, but have not attended meetings in the last 15 years.

DesirousOfChange

I have since recovered from surgery. The subject has not been talked about, but should I bring it up? Or should I leave this alone?

LEAVE IT ALONE!

And if they (or ANYONE) has the audacity to inquire about it -- DENY DENY DENY. (That's "Theocratic Warfare"! -- Not lying.)

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So, 60 Years Ago

by titch in

so, folks, 60 years ago, starting on september 1st, i believe, we, local witnesses in southern california, had the "privilege" of attending the "around the world assembly", at, of all places, the rose bowl, in pasadena.

(i think that it was an 8-day assembly) i was 9 years old then, almost ready to start 4th grade.

so, was anyone else, on this site, at that assembly?

DesirousOfChange

I think we went to Milwaukee WI or nearby. We camped (in a tent, not a luxury camper) at a State Park that only allowed 3-day permits, so for each family there, they issued 3 permits -- each to a different member of the family. Lots of Canadians there, as I recall. One carload of middle age sisters from Canada that bought or borrowed a tent, but neglected to bring the stakes/pins or center pole. Neighboring JW campers each gave them spare tent stakes and someone cut tree limbs to prop up the tent on the interior. That's the kind of experience that reinforced the concept of the united brotherhood. Everyone stepped in to assist. I'm certain they are all dead and to receive their "paradise" via "the underground".

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Were the life spans of the patriarchs just an allegory of astronomical cycles?

by was a new boy in

lengths of life of the patriarchs.

genesis.

length of life.

DesirousOfChange

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Goodbye Mother

by punkofnice in

jw
friends

so my mother passed on 20 aug 23 from the big c. i was there when she went.

that was indeed very traumatic.

i won't go to describe it.. dad went 17 years ago so there's just me now.

DesirousOfChange

I wonder if any of them every actually see these services for what they are, ~ JeffT

My mom, a loyal JW for 6 decades has advised us that she does NOT want a JW Commercial as her eulogy.

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JW.ORG Needs Lawyers

by Vanderhoven7 in

jehovah's witnesses are not encouraging university education... but those who are lawyers already can apply to volunteer to help at bethel.. https://youtu.be/5d_-1lbg-oc?si=fsxeewic-fkczu9p.

DesirousOfChange

Somehow, I don't expect the ranks of the JW's have tons of attorneys. Why not just use Elders who are schooled and trained to head Judicial Committees? Just consider all of the scholarly education they have received!

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Were the life spans of the patriarchs just an allegory of astronomical cycles?

by was a new boy in

lengths of life of the patriarchs.

genesis.

length of life.

DesirousOfChange

Why wouldn't they be real years?

Maybe because there is nothing to substantiate lifetimes of 100's of years? (You do recall that if there are not TWO WITNESSES, it didn't happen.)

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Is the USA gradually moving to a majority of citizens being non-religious

by Reasonfirst in

jw
friends

this is a topic discussed in a current article in the hongkong based asia times*.

find it at: https://asiatimes.com/2023/09/nones-still-no-match-for-us-christian-nationalism/.

the claim is made in the article, that near 30% of americans are non-believers, and that this number is increasing.

DesirousOfChange

We live in the buckle of the Bible Belt. Among our "new friends" (since we've been working hard to replace our former "conditional friends") I am surprised that the majority of them not just profess to be Christian, but go to church regularly. These are people 50's and older. I think the younger crowd we know from the same venues are not regular church goers and may in fact be agnostic or atheist. The older generation (non-overlapping) of these friends are all married and at least a couple of them are still in their first marriage. Of the younger crowd, at least 50% just live together. Of course, a larger % of the latter crowd went to college and were likely more exposed to more liberal thinking/ideas and perhaps are more critial thinkers.