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  Conversation with old friend

  by LongHairGal in

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  2. experiences

  i recently had a conversation with an old acquaintance from the congregation i used to attend.

  we talked about the recent changes in the 2023 annual meeting.

  i especially pointed out the one about getting rid of hourly reporting on monthly time slips.

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  I was disliked because . . . I had a decent figure I got criticized over. ~ LHG

  While that sounds a little unbelievable on its surface, it is exactly what happened to my wife when we moved into a new Cong. Two of the elders' wives had "widened out" in middle age and even made openly pejorative comments about her "size 6" in her presents in a service car group. Yes, it was said with a smile and "Bless Her Heart" kind of attitude. It took my wife a bit longer to realize how malicious they could really be due to their jealousy.

  The greatest revenge is living a happy & successful life!
  
  
  
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  Has anyone heard of "Secret Disfellowshipping" by Jehovah's Witnesses? Menlo Park Ca. Congregation. Update.

  by Balaamsass in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  no doubt everyone has been following the juan viejo postings regarding the watchtower kingdom hall "grab" on jwn for the last couple of years.

  called the mrs and me to say "wow- you have to google this" we did...came here to jwn ...became members..and the rest is history.. in the last nine months i have been calling and emailing contacts in the silicon valley for verification on the societies theft and forced sale of the menlo park kingdom hall (near the new facebook heaquarters) because the story seemed...a little far fetched.

  every reliable contact i made has confirmed what juan reported.

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  GB member Jackson answers/evades questions about religious freedom...

  by enoughisenough in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  many talk about jackson in regard to his response into the abuse of children, but this related clip is about freedom to leave the jw...i found myself thinking at several points, he is outright lying.

  (spiritual warfare in action?

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxuwnumcqsk&t=92s .

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  PROV 6:16 There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him:

  17 haughty eyes,

  a lying tongue,

  hands that shed innocent blood,

  18 a heart that devises wicked schemes,

  feet that are quick to rush into evil,

  19 a false witness who pours out lies,

  and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers.

  Jackson's false and wicked scheming clearly fails on 3 of the 7 things God hates, and IMO it also sirs up dissension (or else we would not all be here).
  
  
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  What you think consequences gonna be for watchtower if they lose the court appeal in Norway?

  by Hellothere in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  personally i think they gonna realise god's not backing org.

  that idea gonna get even more established in their minds.

  i think the real selling of kingdom hall gonna start then.

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  Losing charity status means the Borg will have to start paying property tax on their khs and properties.

  That could turn out to be the best thing that ever happened to WT. What better reason/excuse to have for the need to sell more Kingdom Halls?

  EDITED: Though, from DOYKLee's comment (above) I'm not sure that is what would result if they are unsuccessful with the case in Norway. Based on Lee's comment, I gather the Norway case is more about losing income that comes directly from the Government vs. facing additional costs of being taxed. In the USA, churches do not receive payment from Government funds, but they are exempt from paying any kind of taxes -- income taxes on receipts or "profits"; sales tax for purchases; real estate taxes on property owned.
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  The Next Big Thing In WT World

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  things got a bit lively after the agm leaks in october.

  there was a lot of discussion going on on this board for a few months.

  now that all the leaks have been more or less confirmed as policy, and we've had lively discussions at length concerning the changes, things seem to have slowed down here.. a few suggestions have been raised as to what might be the next changes, such as women being allowed to wear slacks (in the usa, anyway), decoupling from 1914 as an anchoring date and others.. so, what changes do you think will be announced this year?.

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  There are not really any consequences to a woman wearing trousers/pants beyond not likely to be allowed in the Ministry School (which almost does not exist any longer anyway). I'm in the Midwest USA and am well acquainted with an elder whose wife only wore "pant suits" (such as is not uncommon in corporate America -- see Hillary Clinton). He told fellow elders to keep their nose out of his family's business and left it at "she has reason that are none of YOUR business". Worked for him, but he was one of the Alpha Male elders.
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  What you think consequences gonna be for watchtower if they lose the court appeal in Norway?

  by Hellothere in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  personally i think they gonna realise god's not backing org.

  that idea gonna get even more established in their minds.

  i think the real selling of kingdom hall gonna start then.

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  If they lose I think they will seriously consider what action they need to take to "get their ducks in a row" and requality EVEN IF it means some New Light on shunning.

  They found New Light on blood transfusions when Bulgaria refused legal recognition of the religion due to their policy of DFing if one accepted transfusion. Today, if anyone accepts a BT all they need do is profess "weakness" and repentance and they will not be DFd. But failure to do so results in "disassociation" by their actions.

  Yes, it's word play, but WT will play the game.
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  Is a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses marries a disfellowshipped person, what is the outcome?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello all.. i need a quick answer, and also a solid reference in the literature, please.. if a jw marries an unbeliever, there is reproof, it's frowned upon, it's disloyal, there will be loss of privileges, etc, but there's no other more serious consequences.

  but, in a scenario where two people are free to marry, but one is a baptized jw and the other is disfellowshipped / disassociated, what are the consequences?.

  thanks for your help.. r..

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  Like you'd be DFd also. After all, just "eating with such" a person merits DFing if you are unrepentant.

  YMMV because it really all falls in the hands of 3 elders. If you and your family are well liked, well off, etc are the things that greatly influence their decision.
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  Patterson New Visitor Centre & Museum Announced

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  https://www.jwupdates.com/post/new-patterson-visitor-center-and-first-century-museum.

  january 1, 2024, marked the official opening of the patterson visitor center, located at the watchtower educational center in patterson, new york, u.s.a. the feature museum of the visitors’ center is entitled “first-century bible village.” brother isaiah miller, who works in the museum department at bethel, said: “the bible village was designed to provide everyone with a realistic and educational experience.

  studies show that interactive learning has a powerful effect on people of all ages.” after her tour, one visitor exclaimed: “this museum made me feel like i had been transported back to the land of ancient israel.

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  I heard they kiboshed these types of gatherings some years ago. I wonder if they might rethink that.

  Never under the umbrella of being a "Congregation Event". Too much liability. Game parties are common here, but they are private events of the hosts who must obviously must assume the liability and who control who is invited and it's never the full congregation nor an open invitation. No booze. No minors without their parents.
  
  
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  The Reasoning Book

  by Magnum in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the book reasoning from the scriptures was released in the 1980's, and it was used at virtually every meeting for service, every service meeting, and every theocratic ministry school meeting thereafter.

  many jws had copies bound together with their bibles.

  it was huge in jw land back then.. at that time, with the reasoning book, jws were trained to keep conversations going in spite of objections, to almost stick their feet in people's doors to keep conversations going, to defend "the truth," to argue doctrine, etc.. compare the situation today with that of the 80's.

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  The Reasoning Book had a section to address "False Prophets".

  Interestingly, it did not mention Deut 18:18-22.

  I wonder why.
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  Patterson New Visitor Centre & Museum Announced

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  https://www.jwupdates.com/post/new-patterson-visitor-center-and-first-century-museum.

  january 1, 2024, marked the official opening of the patterson visitor center, located at the watchtower educational center in patterson, new york, u.s.a. the feature museum of the visitors’ center is entitled “first-century bible village.” brother isaiah miller, who works in the museum department at bethel, said: “the bible village was designed to provide everyone with a realistic and educational experience.

  studies show that interactive learning has a powerful effect on people of all ages.” after her tour, one visitor exclaimed: “this museum made me feel like i had been transported back to the land of ancient israel.

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