DesirousOfChange

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  Does The WT Keep Files On ExJW Activists?

  by NotFormer in

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  it occurred to me that the wt, if they can identify the activists that are currently campaigning against them, would have a lot of ability to compile detailed dossiers on them.

  once identified, the elders of the appropriate congregation could be asked to forward copies of all their membership details held locally.. would they do that, and do such dossiers exist?.

  (there are probably data collection rules governing such things in a lot of countries, but by no stretch of the imagination could the wt be considered a good corporate citizen).

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  DesirousOfChange

  Set a loyal brother to the task of checking up on apostates, and before long you might have a fresh apostate on your hands. - Tonus

  
  
  
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  They Came To The Door!

  by NotFormer in

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  going door to door with their "memorial" invitation.

  "so you can pass the emblems but nobody partakes?

  them: "we can explain who is to partake".. me: "all jesus' followers".

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  DesirousOfChange

  WT . . . tells JW's to just shut off their brains
  

  
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  The Vaccine mandate has been lifted, with no explanation or apologies

  by redsetter2 in

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  DesirousOfChange

  Just more "New Light".

  Jehover's Chariot is on the move!

  
  
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  JWs in Norway lost to the state - will not get state support back

  by BelisemDeBelimakom in

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  translated with google translate:.

  the trial went before oslo district court in january, and now the district court has concluded that the state is acquitted.

  jehovah's witnesses are also ordered to pay court costs of just over nok 1.1 million.. https://www-vg-no.translate.goog/nyheter/innenriks/i/2bljxg/staten-frikjennes-etter-aa-ha-blitt-saksoekt-av-jehovas-vitner-melder-dagen?_x_tr_sl=ka&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp.

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  DesirousOfChange

  Groups or businesses or religions do not have basic human rights. HUMANS do.

  Nicely said, Lady Lee.

  For many years, WT has felt they are above Cesar's laws because they are God's representatives (government) and are only subject to what they perceive as God's Laws. They have always believed that HE would "protect" them and they would prevail.

  All those successful cases before the SCOTUS in the 1940's-1950's, while certainly historic and even critical in establishing religious liberty in the USA, have no meaningful consequence regarding the new charges coming against them from all directions in our society today -- especially from outside the USA. At one time I believe those old cases may have been studied by law students, but I doubt that is the case any longer. And again, that has no significance elsewhere (despite what narcissistic Americans might think).

  WT -- you better wake up and grab your A$$ET$.
  
  
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  JWs in Norway lost to the state - will not get state support back

  by BelisemDeBelimakom in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  translated with google translate:.

  the trial went before oslo district court in january, and now the district court has concluded that the state is acquitted.

  jehovah's witnesses are also ordered to pay court costs of just over nok 1.1 million.. https://www-vg-no.translate.goog/nyheter/innenriks/i/2bljxg/staten-frikjennes-etter-aa-ha-blitt-saksoekt-av-jehovas-vitner-melder-dagen?_x_tr_sl=ka&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp.

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  Jehovah's Witnesses don’t comply with rules that members must freely be allowed to join them or leave. . . . The state had determined that those leaving the Jehovah's Witnesses suffered from strict bans on contact with other members, including their own families. The alleged exclusion policies violated state criteria for funding.

  Thanks, Gordon, for that informative post.

  IDK if all the rumors circulating about relaxing the pejorative treatment of DF/DA persons is true or not, but, the GB better get their shit straight about it. IF they do not institute the "Jubilee Policy" (as it was called by someone) to remove any sanctions (shunning) that those who leave must face, this will only be the first domino.

  

  BETHEL SPIES -- Are you reading this? The Tower will continue to crumble if the "inhumane" policies of shunning and the breakup of families are not repealed!
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  JWs in Norway lost to the state - will not get state support back

  by BelisemDeBelimakom in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  translated with google translate:.

  the trial went before oslo district court in january, and now the district court has concluded that the state is acquitted.

  jehovah's witnesses are also ordered to pay court costs of just over nok 1.1 million.. https://www-vg-no.translate.goog/nyheter/innenriks/i/2bljxg/staten-frikjennes-etter-aa-ha-blitt-saksoekt-av-jehovas-vitner-melder-dagen?_x_tr_sl=ka&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp.

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  The Norway verdict, in effect, says “JWs are not a religion”.

  In fairness to WT, I find it difficult to agree with that verdict. JW's are clearly a "religion" with millions of adherents worldwide. However, I would understand a Gov't (or anyone) challenging it's status as a "charity'. One could question if the JW religion GIVES anything that is really "charity" when about the only thing they GIVE is information with which to proselytize their religious beliefs. They have no policy in place for any type of charitable giving, ie, financial assistance, medical care, etc. The only time I've witnessed that JW's dp as far as providing that kind of assistance is a casual verbal mention that so-and-so (a member of the Cong, usually a pioneer) needs assistance and Cong members can volunteer financial assistance anonymously or directly. I've never known of the Cong or WTHQ to kick in a dime of "dedicated funds". Cash only flows one way at WT.
  
  
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  My old KH is a house now

  by Gordon in

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  rossville, il, i heard it had disbanded about 15 years ago.

  know, i see someone bought it and turned it into a home, but sadly for them , the bad kh karma did not help the resale value.

  looking at the interior pictures it's hard to see the old kh.

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  Zillow description notes it was "built in 1975".

  Now THAT is funny!
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  For all JW's: Stop calling others "apostates."

  by BoogerMan in

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  if you don't want to be thrown into gehenna, read what your own faithful evil slave & christ say:.

  cj chap.

  3 p. 110 chapter 3 - "jesus christ said: “whoever says, ‘you despicable fool!’ (apostate) will be liable to the fiery gehenna.” (matt.

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  DesirousOfChange

  I kinda thought some here wore that title like a badge of honor.

  
  
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  The 911 Documentary Video Question

  by Yizuman in

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  i'm trying to find the video of the 911 story where it shows the twin towers up close showing demolition charges going off one by one as an indication that the whole thing may have been a set up.

  it was posted earlier this year but am unable to locate the post.

  anyone have a link to that vid?

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  DesirousOfChange

  So why does a "conspiracy theory" like this not seem preposterous?
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  Radical shake up

  by Mikejw in

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  imagine if all the governing body resigned and a new set of brothers came in and said we are very very sorry for all those who have been disfellowshipped and disassociated over the years.

  we know many mistakes have been made.

  we are really genuinely sorry to all those who have been hurt and especially those who have died and been hurt by these mistakes.

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  Déjà Vu

  Doesn't that kinda describe what is happening? Or at least there seems to be a good start to it all.

  Will it make an iota of a difference to most of us here. Doubt it!