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  New light on shunning?

  by Mikejw in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  one theory why tony was booted out was because he was a stickler for not changing the shunning doctrine.

  he actually said the words we will never ever change it.. they are slowly deleting all of tony’s videos and now losing court cases and losing government hand outs in places like norway.. it’s looking very likely they will release new light on shunning policy after losing this latest one in norway.. .

  what are the odds they coincidentally get new light from jehovah and lighten up their shunning policy ?.

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  I have only read a few posts on this issue. But my take is that if Watchtower relaxed it's shunning policy, the organization will lose one quarter of it's membership...namely all PIMOs with family members still in. ~ Vanderhoven

  I guess that's as good of a speculative number as any for the number of PIMOs that there are today. I'm not sure it would affect everyone who is PIMO. If they wanted to be out of the social club, they could just fade or walk away and not suffer any judicial consequences that would result in being shunned. They're hanging in for the BBQs and going on cruises with other (not to zealous) JDubs.

  But, regardless of the number that might bail on WT if they changed the policy, would WT really care? At this point, what are the PIMOs contributing? Aren't they just using up oxygen in the room? I think it very doubtful they are contributing much financially. And isn't that what matters to WT? So who cares where they go?
  
  
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  ARTICLE: Jehovah’s Witnesses investing more than $50M on Woodbury project

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  2. friends

  https://libn.com/2024/03/04/jehovahs-witnesses-investing-more-than-50m-on-woodbury-project/.

  long island business news.

  march 4, 2024. the christian congregation of jehovah’s witnesses, which bought the former geico property in woodbury for $27 million in dec. 2022, plans to spend at least another $23 million to build an assembly hall and two support buildings on about half of the site.

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  according to Jehovah’s Witnesses spokesman Robert Hendriks.

  Thought it was said he was outta there?
  
  
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  Does The WT Keep Files On ExJW Activists?

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  it occurred to me that the wt, if they can identify the activists that are currently campaigning against them, would have a lot of ability to compile detailed dossiers on them.

  once identified, the elders of the appropriate congregation could be asked to forward copies of all their membership details held locally.. would they do that, and do such dossiers exist?.

  (there are probably data collection rules governing such things in a lot of countries, but by no stretch of the imagination could the wt be considered a good corporate citizen).

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  DesirousOfChange

  How long before those meetings degenerate into "I gotta say, this exJW made some pretty good points..." ~ Tonus

  I could definitely see that happening when you consider that all the serious deep thinkers are now congregating here (and similar sites).

  We are the (former) JW's that used to be able to stand up and defend (and explain) the JW doctrines -- that is until such time that these things could no longer be explained or defended.

  The R&F JW who is still there is incapable of doing anything beyond handing over a JW.borg business card and running away.
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  They Came To The Door!

  by NotFormer in

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  going door to door with their "memorial" invitation.

  "so you can pass the emblems but nobody partakes?

  them: "we can explain who is to partake".. me: "all jesus' followers".

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  New light on shunning?

  by Mikejw in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  one theory why tony was booted out was because he was a stickler for not changing the shunning doctrine.

  he actually said the words we will never ever change it.. they are slowly deleting all of tony’s videos and now losing court cases and losing government hand outs in places like norway.. it’s looking very likely they will release new light on shunning policy after losing this latest one in norway.. .

  what are the odds they coincidentally get new light from jehovah and lighten up their shunning policy ?.

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  DesirousOfChange

  After just reading the post on the decision in Norway, it appears to me that it is the shunning of minors that violates the new law.

  IF WT does choose to make some kind of adjustment to get the decision reversed, I think it will only involve a change respecting anyone under the age of 18.

  Perhaps they will reinstitute some kind of "Probation" that will "mark" the minor (vs DF) that will be reviewed when they are 18 years old. The "probation" will not require shunning by R&F, but will only require limiting association as they do if someone is "marked" as bad association. Upon review at 18, if the person is judged as repentant then probation will be lifted and they will be announced as being in "good standing", or if they have not been a good little boy or girl, they will then be DF.
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  NORWAY Verdict : The Aftermath

  by raymond frantz in

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  https://www.jwupdates.com/post/watchtower-will-take-norwegian-defeat-to-echr.

  few norwegian religious communities need to worry after the jehovah's witnesses verdict, according to legal expert vibeke blaker strand.

  he has pointed out that it is particularly serious to deprive a religious community of its registration.

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  . . . we told them that we could not keep accepting these donations. . . . . [if it means that we must compromise on God's Righteous Standards].

  I think that puts a little better "spin" on it.
  
  
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  Radical shake up

  by Mikejw in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  imagine if all the governing body resigned and a new set of brothers came in and said we are very very sorry for all those who have been disfellowshipped and disassociated over the years.

  we know many mistakes have been made.

  we are really genuinely sorry to all those who have been hurt and especially those who have died and been hurt by these mistakes.

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  If they had the balls of their predecessors and genuine, authentic integrity, they would say all that, word for word, and damn the consequences.

  Isn't it obvious that they no longer really have faith that they are given divine protection from above?

  They now have greater faith in attorneys and public relations experts.
  
  
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  New light on shunning?

  by Mikejw in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  one theory why tony was booted out was because he was a stickler for not changing the shunning doctrine.

  he actually said the words we will never ever change it.. they are slowly deleting all of tony’s videos and now losing court cases and losing government hand outs in places like norway.. it’s looking very likely they will release new light on shunning policy after losing this latest one in norway.. .

  what are the odds they coincidentally get new light from jehovah and lighten up their shunning policy ?.

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  DesirousOfChange

  Could you see the GB deciding that DF/shunning would only apply to those persisting in their "sin"? Or, only to those actively speaking against "The Truth" (or the "glorious ones")?

  I do not think that relaxing the position on the shunning of those who no longer persist in their sin or who do not actively "oppose" the religion would have much of a harmful effect on the Organization.

  Anything and everything there is that is negative about WT/JW's is already at the fingertips of anyone with a computer or a smartphone. Most JW's are ignorant of the negative stuff because THEY WANT TO BE IGNORANT OF IT. For most of them that attitude will never change.

  JMHO

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  Question on an article back in the late 90s

  by greenhornet in

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  2. medical

  a "sister" that was in "truth" was a discussion one sunday at the meeting .she was in an iron lung ,anyone here might give a link.

  i dont want a j dum dot com link.

  just curious.. thank you .

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  DesirousOfChange

  I think sometimes we doubt anything/everything we hear/read from WT which is not really the case. Not only does that support the JW claim that apostates lie about things, and thereby may hurt the credibility of those who are trying to expose some real WT falsehoods.

  It reminds me of the photoshopped pic of a GB member sporting a beard immediately after the removal of the ban on beards was made public. How many times was that circulated only to be later proven to be false?

  It really is not necessary to spread falsehoods about WT/JW's. There are enough issues that are "real" to be exposed.

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  Does The WT Keep Files On ExJW Activists?

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  it occurred to me that the wt, if they can identify the activists that are currently campaigning against them, would have a lot of ability to compile detailed dossiers on them.

  once identified, the elders of the appropriate congregation could be asked to forward copies of all their membership details held locally.. would they do that, and do such dossiers exist?.

  (there are probably data collection rules governing such things in a lot of countries, but by no stretch of the imagination could the wt be considered a good corporate citizen).

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  DesirousOfChange

  Set a loyal brother to the task of checking up on apostates, and before long you might have a fresh apostate on your hands. - Tonus