Posts by DesirousOfChange

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A note to Mr. Smith re: The Menlo Park KH Case.

by Devil_Fish in

hello mr. smith,.

the plantiffs have been asked who wrote "the book" that is filed into evidence, is now public record and is avalible for all to see on www.ex-jw.com at this address: http://ex-jw.com/takeover-at-menlo-park#more-3606 .. the response to this question is: "the book" was written by divine inspiration.

yes, thats right, jehovah wrote it, through his son jesus.

DesirousOfChange

WOW!

Witness tampering. Bank fraud. Filing fraudulent forms. Wire tampering.

Somebody ought to have their ass handed to them on a platter. Unbelievable corruption and manipulation.

If I was judge or on a jury for this matter (if it ends up with any criminal charges), there would be several people going to jail (they can just consider it persecution for Jehovah's name). Even in this civil suit, the WTS should be hit with some nasty punitive damages. Then turn the tax authorities onto the whole scheme.

The brothers (Cobb & St Clair) that took a stand on this are to be praised for their courage!

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Why So Many Young People Are Leaving The Watchtower

by Jeremy C in

i have been giving a lot of thought to the young people who are leaving the watchtower organization in recent years.

last night, i was reading the thread posted by jwfacts a while back in which he provided some statistics and graphs showing the rapidly declining growth in the watchtower.

one factor that was discussed at length was the high number of young people who do not stay in the organization.

DesirousOfChange

Why So Many Young People Are Leaving The Watchtower

It's because younger people have access to the flood of information on the internet AND the curiosity to seek it out. Any student considers it standard procedure to Google any and every subject. They read of something in WT publications that contradicts what they are learning at school, so they Google the topic. The WTS is not able to put a halt to this dissemination of information. In the process, the curious subject is flooded with information about every aspect of JWs and the Organization. What started as an innocent search of The Global Flood, or Abiogenesis (word used at Dist Conv), or whatever turns out to be 100s of pages of damning information of false prophecies, scientific inaccuracies, politics and injustices within the Organization, etc etc etc. All exp0eriences that EVERY JW can relate to at one time or another. The WTS can stifle the information available by ceasing the printing of older publications or by stopping any discussion on "Old Lite" and by limiting the association the typical JW has with educated "worldly" people. But they CANNOT stop the internet. That would be like trying to ban television. As usual, they are late in reacting in a reasonable way. As of now, they are still attempting to ban Facebook and "improper" use of the internet. It's like the Dutch boy with his finger in the dike. But now, the whole damn has been breached and the water cannot be held back. THIS FLOOD is for real!

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Is The Governing Body Of Jehovah's Witnesses In Agony?

by metatron in

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with every passing magazine and assembly, i ask myself, why?.

why does the governing body care?

the diatribes against college, against the internet and i-phones and vampire movies and afterschool sports and social networks and everything new, interesting or useful in the world, why?

DesirousOfChange

They may agonize about the huge number who are making an exodus from the Organization. They'd probably like to know how to stop the hemmoraging. Still they feel those folks leaving the Faith are "evil and wicked" slaves who have forsaken their place with God's Organization.

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Marking?? WTH is that?

by Free!! in

i was a baptized jw for about 6 years in a spanish congregation.. and i never ever ever heard anything about "marking"... what is that??

i knew someone can be disfellowshipped, publicly/privately reproved or dissasociated themselves.. but i never heard of marking.. can someone please care to explain that term to me?.

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DesirousOfChange

many JWs i know never heard of it. and i didn't even know i was marked, it was never publicly announced, nor was i ever told about it by the elders. but when the word finally got around, they pretty much treated me like i was disfellowshipped.

There is no formal announcement of "marking" a person, as there is when one is publicly reproved. There will simply be a "marking talk" delivered by an elder during the Service Meeting (usually a Special Needs talk in the KM). The "marking talk" will discuss the situation that is a concern in the congregation without mentioning any specific names. The elder may even state at the beginning or during the talk that "this is a marking talk" and explain what it means.

If Brother Bob is dating a worldly woman from work, the talk will discuss how serious it is to be considering marriage with someone who is not "in the lord" or in the Truth. But Brother Bob's name will never be mentioned. It is assumed that everyone who knows of what Brother Bob is doing will now see him as bad association. They will still speak with him, he can still comment at meetings, he can still go in field service, but doubtful that anyone will invite him for any kind of outside association.

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sigh

by C.O.B.E.Beef in

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this is my first time participating in a site like this , so please.

forgive me if my approach is clumsy.. my story is not extraordinary and hardly interesting, so thanks.

in advance to this forum for extending the bandwidth for my own.

DesirousOfChange

COBEBeef: I relate to so much you have said. I still have one foot in the door for the sake of family, and if I'm honest with myself, because I am afraid of making the BIG break. Nearly all our friends are IN. Even some who are out (faders) would be afraid to associate with anyone who is DFd or DAd as they don't want to lose their position of Fading. All those people are the only "network" someone has who has been caught up in it for decades because they have alienated or avoided befriending anyone who is "worldly".

Proceed cautiously. Occasionally I have caught myself saying negative things to those that I thought had had their eyes opened (at least partially) only to find that I was struck back with their eyes wide open in amazement and by some Mind Control Reply. I realized what risks I was taking. Better not to become too much of a complainer or you will not be able to stay under the radar.

Instead, I pick up on comments that my wife and others make that are negative or questioning. Anytime they same something the least bit negative, I question them, I ask them to elaborate, I disagree at first, then invite them to offer more discussion or proof of their negative statement until, well, maybe they are right about that after all. Something to really think about......plant the seeds......they will grow on its own.

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How many meetings does a JW attend in a week?

by jwfacts in

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i always found it a bit deceptive to say we attended five meetings a week, when in reality it was only 3. now that there are meetings only twice a week, do witnesses still claim to attend 5 meetings a week or four?.

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DesirousOfChange

I think they now only take attendance counts one time for each meeting, that is.........once on Sunday........once on Wednesday (or whatever day it is).

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How did you tell your mate that .....

by stuckinamovement in

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you no longer believed that the watchtower organization was the truth, and that you were no longer going to go to the meetings or service?.

and a followup question... what was the response?.

DesirousOfChange

She truly believes that the elders are put in place by God and that if what I present is truthful then they'll see it and present such problems to the C.O. who will present to the D.O. and so on....and all would be made better. And if changes aren't made then I would be proven wrong. In any case she doesn't believe I have any reason to fear being DFd because the elders don't want that....they "want to help".

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

They will want to help you jump off a cliff!

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Do you get a letter when you are disfellowshipped?

by Snoozy in

just curious, do they give you any kind of documentation?

is it all just by word?

surely they would have to give you something?.

DesirousOfChange

Couldn't you demand a letter saying you won't accept it as valid (your dismissal) until you get something in writing.

Snoozy, they do not care what YOU think about it -- valid or invalid.

They made the decision (which really just confirmed the decision that the Holy Spirit had already made in heaven).

They announced to all that YOU ARE OUT!

So, YOU ARE OUT! Say "HI" all you want. Ain't nobody gonna talk to you!

Go knocking on doors all you want. It's not going to make any more of a difference than it did when you were knocking on doors FOR Jehovah's Witnesses.

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There is one way to save the JW religion

by cptkirk in

stop referring to it as "the truth".. "the world" is not going to turn on you because you are all great shining examples of human beings.

if "the world" turns on you, it's because you are a dangerous cult.. taze russell and rutherford were both nuts.

but "the light gets brighter"...the light was already bright, it's called the christian greek scriptures.

DesirousOfChange

The other posters have nailed it. If it is not 'the truth' and other religions (particularly other churches) can be considered valid, why be a Jehovah's Witness?

My wife's answer: "Because NO ONE ELSE is doing the worldwide preaching work" (Matt 24:14)

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Has anyone, other than me, tried to get your friends/loved ones to prove 1919?

by garyneal in

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has anyone, other than me, tried to get your friends/loved ones to prove 1919?.

did they really try to prove it to you or did they write you off as hopelessly lost or somewhere in between?

as some of you are aware, i have been trying to get my wife to prove it to me, and if not her, another believing jehovahs witness.

DesirousOfChange

Are you kidding?? 99% of JWs have no clue what the significance of 1919 is......or that its even an important date......or what happened.

They are clueless. Don't believe me? Test it out........ they will look at you like "huh?"

YOU GOT THAT RIGHT!

I asked my wife to tell me what scripture they use to arrive at the 2520 years. She didn't know. She knows 607 is in "dispute" and they may be wrong about that but still, "they are the only ones preaching the good news worldwide as Matt 24:14 says".