Posts by DesirousOfChange

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If You Had 5 minutes to Create Doubt

by roxanesophia in

i regularly encounter jw's i knew while studying and it kills me that they would likely not listen long enough for me to tell them the truth about the truth.

my mother says "don't even bother.

it's like finding out you were adopted.

DesirousOfChange

If I had just 5 minutes, I'd ask for an explanation of "the generation" changes.

Explain how you have had trouble understanding the new "overlap" -- does that make any sense to ANYONE?

Do your research in the past changes, base on your efforts to understand the "new light", and that will confuse you (anyone) even further.

At this point in time, the current understandint is that anyone of the annointed who was born in 1890+/- is of the same "generation" as their own child (born 1910); grandchild (born 1930); great-grandchild (born 1950); great-great-grandchild (born 1970); and great-great-great grandchild (born 1990) who is now 20 years old and may have the great-great-great-great grandchild of the original person we speak of here. That's 5, or 6, or even 7 generations......whoops! I mean seven......uh......well NOT generations, since according to the New Light, they are just ONE GENERATION as spoken of in Matt 24. WTF??

Yeah, it's SO confusing. Probably a good idea to ask them for the correct understanding. Asking will take 5 minutes. Getting a reasonable answer will take forever!

DOC

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Question for IT experts.

by badseed in

jw
friends

assuming that everytime i connect to the internet i'm in a different location ex:starbucks, mcdonald's, coffee shop, etc.

i then get a different ip address everytime (right?).

ex: i go at starbucks, get an ip address, sign into google using [email protected] (send a few emails, post a few comments) then logout and go to the mcdonald's a few blocks down the street and connect.

DesirousOfChange

@DesirousOfChange - It makes sense. The key there is being careful. Always sign out of e-mail accounts & JWN. Lock your screen when leaving the computer unattended. Keep a separate user profile with a password that the rest of the household won't guess. Use in-private browsing or clear your browser history. Use your apostate e-mail address for apostate activities only. Maybe your friend's son subconsciously wanted to be caught

Mumma, my recollection of the explanation I was told is that emails display the sender's IP address somewhere in the details, thus the IP address was the same for all of his emails, regardless of which email account he was using. (Make any sense?) So, when he sent an email from his normal, everyday email address it displayed the same IP adderss as the emails he anonymously sent from his apostate email addy.

DOC

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A Letter to My Sons ... A Request for Help

by 00DAD in

jw
friends

it has now been over two years since i was df'd.

in that time i have had limited contact with my 17 year old son, the younger, and almost no contact with my 20 year old.

the older boy was baptized 5 years ago and sadly the younger just recently took the plunge into the "pool-aid".

DesirousOfChange

Could you biblically defend military service?

Did you ever read about the conversion of Cornelius?

Does the Bible ever say he resigned from his position as an Army Officer?

I don't think so. I think the closest you will find is the WT saying that "evidently" he did.

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Question for IT experts.

by badseed in

jw
friends

assuming that everytime i connect to the internet i'm in a different location ex:starbucks, mcdonald's, coffee shop, etc.

i then get a different ip address everytime (right?).

ex: i go at starbucks, get an ip address, sign into google using [email protected] (send a few emails, post a few comments) then logout and go to the mcdonald's a few blocks down the street and connect.

DesirousOfChange

What if you're just worried about being connected from your email address to your visits to various apostate websites LIKE THIS ONE??

My understanding from a friends son ([email protected]) who was nailed and DFd because of his internet activities was that he had a separate email account "apostate1@yahoo" that was the same as his JWN name (apostate1) and by sending emails from his personal computer to JWs using both yahoo accounts they were able to "link" him to the apostate emails.

Any of this make any sense?

DOC

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I just think it's easier this way!

by Atlantis in

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DesirousOfChange

Hoping to see the 1968 & 1969 Awake! mags uploaded so as to have complete copies of the issues saying one would never get old in this system, etc.

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Today's Watchtower Study is SO dumb!!!

by TimothyT in

i would like to think of myself as an academic.

im starting my second degree and i enjoy research.

when i see a statement backed up by references and support from a credible source, sometimes i get excited.

DesirousOfChange

I tell you now, i dont know why i keep reading this trash, but it just enrages me more and more.

Surely the Borg wishes that the R&F would read the WT publications as regularly as do apostates!

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Gilead graduate, circa 2001

by stillin in

i overheard two elders referring to a gilead school grad who has gone apostate, big time.

they were talking about a website and i didn't want to look too curious.

anybody know anything here?.

DesirousOfChange

There are LOTS of Gilead grads. Something like 100+ graduate every year. The region of country you refer to might be helpful.

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A warning for all from Totally ADD

by TotallyADD in

jw
friends

it has been four days since i have been on jwn.

because i am not as young as i used to be.

as many know my wife and i are opening up a donut store.

DesirousOfChange

TADD: I've been following your story here on JWN. Wishing you all the best in your new adventure in life! In my opinon, there's nothing as good as hot, sticky buns!

DOC

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My trouble

by bushido8000 in

jw
friends

i have been facing a small dilemma for some years now.

i have been in the truth since i was 5 years old.

after experiencing some troubles with man-made rules (non-scriptural, told me that i absolutely could not join my small school's football team) in the kingdom hall when i was about 16, i stopped going to take a step back and look at what was going on.

DesirousOfChange

Finally, it hit me. I had spent over thirty years trying to force my mind to accept some pretting implausable things just because the WTS pronounced it so. I had forgone an education so that I could financially struggle to get by doing cleaning jobs, and others that paid little and were exhausting.

My daughter, my husband, and I went through a major depression when we left. Thankfully, my daughter never gave up on her education, and will graduate from college with a degree in Biology in December. At 59 years old, I am in college, and loving every minute of it. I still must work full-time at a low-paying job, so won't graduate until year after next if my brain holds together.

QUANDRY, your experience is inspiring. Hopefully it will help Bushido see that, att 22 years old, he has LOTS of time to pursue a fulfilling, rewarding life. I applaud your deetermination, tenacity, and drive at 59!

DOC

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Selective Memory

by EmptyInside in

jw
friends

i don't know if this is the case with everyone.

but,most jehovah's witnesses i know seem to have selective memory.

they will deny straight to your face that in 1995 ,the generation, was explained to be the wicked contemporaries.

DesirousOfChange

1975? Who said anything about 1975?

According to a comment at the WT lesson at the KH we were visiting last week, it was apostates that made all the false claims about 1975.

YEP! That's what was said. (WTF?) The elder conducting let it go as fact.

DOC