DesirousOfChange

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  Christmas, yes or no ?

  by jhine in

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  i have just started to steep the mincemeat for my mince pies in dark rum .

  christmas is a big deal in my family and circle of friends.

  however among ex jws it's a bit different or so l understand.

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  No. Can't "miss it" as I never had it. (Kinda like Punk above.)

  I think too many families go way overboard on it and go into debt and it becomes a source of financial (and maybe relationship) trouble.

  We take the grandkids to see the lights at several major displays here. One of which was very religious in relating the Christian Story Of Christmas and we thought it "odd" that they were not familiar with the Christmas Story even though they and their parents celebrate it as far as gift giving, etc. Seems to me that just being a member of our society here (USA) they should understand the Story of it all. BUT not my job to teach them. They have parents.

  It's just way too commercial. We don't need a thing in the way of gifts. We're "blessed" in that way. Surely do not need another tie (won't ever wear one again)..........or sweater, etc. The only really good aspect of it is that everyone has the day off and it's possible to get together as a family. (Something we would not even consider doing when JDubs.)
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  How get out of watchtower?

  by Hellothere in

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  how do you get out of watchtower?

  am i supposed to write letter to bethel or local congregation telling them i don't want to be a jw anymore?

  how are the steps.

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  DesirousOfChange

  If you want to make it easier on your JW mother/family to associate with you, it is better NOT to do a formal disassociation. Just "fade into the sunset". Say you are stumbled, or depressed, or busy. Just STFU and ignore any attempts to encourage you or to have a discussion with you. (It bugs the hell outta them!)
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  Living your life according to the bible

  by TTWSYF in

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  i have heard it said [numerous times] that jws live their life according to the bible.. i have also heard [numerous times] that jws have restored the correct christian practice following the great apostasy [?which is a different topic].

  my question is 'is there any proof anywhere in history where jewish or christian people lived their life according to the scriptures?".

  ttwsyf.

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  My question is 'Is there any proof anywhere in history where Jewish or Christian people lived their life according to the Scriptures?

  What scriptures?

  The Bible canon was not compiled until:

  Council of Rome 382 AD

  Council of Trent 1546 AD

  Church of England 1563 AD

  Westminster 1647 AD

  Synod of Jerusalem 1672 AD

  New World Translation circa 1960 AD (jk)

  Take your pick! If you don't like the first choice you can always choose another.
  
  
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  2022-November-Elders Manual--S-147 Announcements!

  by Atlantis in

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  2. friends

  2022-november elders manual.

  2022-s-147 announcements and reminders2022-jwpub files of the above.

  https://www.filemail.com/d/mnpzkotbirxqqgo or.

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  DesirousOfChange

  Does it seem to you that there are A LOT of updates now of the Elders Book? I think the original was not "replaced" or upgraded or re-released for about 10 years. (Of course there were lots of handwritten note to be added to it from COs visits).

  And it seems about half of these "updates" are about being contacted by the media. Ya know, they are tools of Satan!
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  Watchtower Double Speak

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
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  on eternal life.

  "none of us are in position to earn god’s gifts, least of all to earn the gift of life.

  but we can show ourselves worthy of the gift of eternal life by … dedicating ourselves to jehovah and then proving faithful to that dedication.” (the watchtower, august 15, 1952, p. 485).

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  DesirousOfChange

  1952?

  OLD LIGHT

  (Unless it still happens to apply, then it's current light).
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  Was / Is God biased ? prejudiced against certain Peoples / Tribes or Nations ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  let me explain :.

  after the creation account of the bible, tribes of people and nations began to form and spread around the land.. god first chose noah and his family to protect them as he destroys all others in the flood.. and he ticks off everyone in babel ?

  and then he favours abraham and his descendants as the nation of israel culminating in the jewish lineage to jesus the son of god.. he has never had any dealings with any other people`s or nation isn`t that some form of favouritism ?

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  DesirousOfChange

  But, if someone walked out of a tomb, that would be a sufficient basis for believing what that person had to say.

  Just because THE BIBLE says that someone walked out of a tomb (presumably a dead someone), does not mean it is proof of THE BIBLE being correct about that or anything else. THE BIBLE cannot corroborate THE BIBLE.

  Even WTS demands TWO WITNESSES. (Mattew's Bible account and Luke's Bible account are NOT two witnesses.)

  When a child falls through the ice while skating and is finally recovered 30 minutes later and yet is revived, that makes the National News! ABC NBC CNN FOX AP Etc. and it is included in more than one study on the subject and debated in Medical Journals.

  Even the writings of Josephus, which is said to make two references to the existence of Jesus of Nazareth, was unaware of the man being crucified or of any record or even rumors of his rising from the dead. (WOW!) Perhaps that kind of event just wasn't newsworthy back then, despite that numerous sources that do note the births and deaths and reigns of the Cesars and other world rulers.

  Just call me Thomas.
  
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  Disfellowshipped & Returning

  by tartan4588 in

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  2. friends

  i am disfellowshipped and have been going back for well over a year now but because its not my 1st time it will be a bit longer before i will write my letter, would really love to find others in my area who are in the same situation as some many know its very isolating, not mixing with worldly people and not being allowed to be with family and friends can take its toll on a person, just wondering if there is anyone in perth wa that would like to get together for a coffee, movie ect .

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  DesirousOfChange

  Tartan originally posted this 4 years ago and has only been seen one time since the original post (and that was also 4 years ago).

  Yes, it would be interesting to know how things have gone for Tartan. How did the reinstatement effort go?

  Is he gone from here because he was suffering from cognitive dissonance when reading TTATT here?
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  Was / Is God biased ? prejudiced against certain Peoples / Tribes or Nations ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  let me explain :.

  after the creation account of the bible, tribes of people and nations began to form and spread around the land.. god first chose noah and his family to protect them as he destroys all others in the flood.. and he ticks off everyone in babel ?

  and then he favours abraham and his descendants as the nation of israel culminating in the jewish lineage to jesus the son of god.. he has never had any dealings with any other people`s or nation isn`t that some form of favouritism ?

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  Isn't it obvious?

  He only gave the Bible to white Europeans so they could learn about him.
  
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  Which of you readers are being shunned by their relatives / friends ?

  by stan livedeath in

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  2. experiences

  a simple " me" if you dont want to say more--or a short explanation about who is shunning you and how long has this been going on.. i'll set the ball rolling: my daughter--her husband and children; my younger son --no contact from them for 40 years...because i left their religion.. (edit--i just noticed the typo in the header--if should be of ).

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  DesirousOfChange

  My closest elder friend is now ghosting me. (We've been gone about 8 (+/-) years.) Maybe he will still call to remind me of the Memorial.

  Our kids are POMO. Most siblings have not cut us off. One is PIMO, others are PIMI (but still stay in contact since we are just "stumbled" and inactive).The ones who have cut us off have done so for other reasons, but take the self righteous position that we are "bad" people.
  
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  No funeral

  by road to nowhere in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have run across another jw death where the final wishes are for no service.

  3rd or 4th instance.

  another wanted a celebration of life which the elders squelched as far as i know.

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  DesirousOfChange

  Even my diehard JW mom says she does not want an infomercial!