DesirousOfChange

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  Three new lawsuits against Watchtower filed under NY Child Victims Act (CVA) this October, bringing number of CVA cases up to six

  by Corney in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  new cases:.

  diaz case, filed on 10/21/2020 by zalkin law firm - two plaintiffs abused (here and hereinafter - allegedly) by two ministerial servants in 1970s.. iglesias case, filed on 10/19/2020 by eisenberg & baum, llp against various nyc and wt entities - abused by an "elder john doe" and "[travelling] overseer john" in 1970s and 1980s.. aldridge case, filed 10/06/2020 by zalkin law firm - abused by a congregation elder in 1970s.. older cases:.

  tarry case (no 1 and no 2), filed on 09/17/2019 and 07/23/2020 by parker waichman llp - abused by a publisher in 1984. very weak case.

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  'The Governing Body is Subject to Suit as An Unincorporated Association'

  You can sue anyone, but can you extract any award you may win? It's the "no blood out of a turnip" thing.
  
  
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  Governing body

  by moley in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  are the governing body really in charge or are they just a figurehead with the real power being behind the curtain .

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  Do they now encourage the elders or the parents to call the police, or do they still insist on the two witnesses rule? If not, what's changed?

  It’s my experience that, yes, it has changed. Elders are quick to seek legal advice from the branch at even a hint that an incident could be “trouble”. Sorry, too incriminating to share specifics but I was concerned for the family involved and insisted they get legal advice, even recommending our attorney.

  I believe they will be told to report it anonymously if WT Legal deems it reportable.
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  Request!----Atlantis Is There Anywhere Else The Watchtower Admits?

  by Atlantis in

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  2. friends

  atlantis, is there anywhere else that the watchtower admits that disfellowshipping or excommunication is pagan?.

  sure, they said the same thing back in 1880 about a lot of churches being like the beast for practicing excommunication.. as papacy established the priesthood over the church, soprotestantism has established almost the same, and there isno opportunity for the body to edify itself, every joint takingpart.

  true, there is a seeming show of liberty at prayer meetings,&c., but it is only upon the surface, for the ordainedpastor is to watch zealously lest anything contrary to theteachings of his church should be expressed, and if so tosilence the audacious member at once, for the church creedis the rule, not the word of god.

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  DesirousOfChange

  And do not forget, that the WT lawyer testifying in court in Canada swore that disfellowshipping does not require the shunning (or breaking up) of families.

  I know some JWs are are accepting this as "New Lite" and have made the decision to have limited association with their DF/DA family members under the guise of "necessary family business".

  WT Lawyer testifies DF does NOT involve shunning
  
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  Governing body

  by moley in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  are the governing body really in charge or are they just a figurehead with the real power being behind the curtain .

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  I think their reasoning could be that if they can just get past the CSA scandals........ they will survive.

  I believe they have plugged the hole in the dike by taking extreme measures if there is even a "hint" of any kind of misconduct involving a child. While they were once too lax, the lawsuits have forced them to review their policies and operations so as to avoid any more liability. (Yes, it is about avoiding the liability more than avoiding injury to a child.) But no one ever imagined various States relaxing the statute of limitations on victims seeking financial restitution. As a result, cases from decades past are finding their way into the Court system and costing them MILLION$. I suspect there are many more settlements (with gag orders) than there are cases that go to court. Both the victims and their attorneys are wanting to see the CA$H awards. It is much quicker to agree to a smaller settlement "now" than face years of jockeying back and forth in the Courts. Thus, attorneys push for a quick cash settlement to get their 30% fee rather than spend 10's or 100's of thousand$ of dollars and years and years of depositions, postponements, etc, etc for what might prove to be only a little (or even no) better of an award.

  And of course, WTS/GB may be counting on Armageddon bailing them out before they are bankrupt.
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  Attention: Active Jehovah's Witness Parents

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this young jw lady was shunned by her parents since she was 18 or 19 years old.

  she was befriended by the older man that you see in the picture.

  perhaps you recognize him?

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  The Kellens will be held in high esteem for their sacrifice and proving faithful to Jehover The JW Borg.

  Let's review: It's a Cult!
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  Is There Going to be Money in the New System?

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if not, what's in it for the gb?.

  but seriously, how is it supposed to work?

  pictures of jws in paradise show them raising crops, wearing clothes and building houses.

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  Jehover will provide!
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  Finally fixing my teeth, since "The End" never materialized.....thx WT HQ!

  by WingCommander in

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  2. friends

  this is just one of several sore subjects for me concerning growing up in the toxic cult known as jehovah's witnesses.

  health care.

  specifically, dentistry.

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  DesirousOfChange

  Go for it! I'm certain you will never regret it!
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  JWLITE

  by Teddnzo in

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  2. friends

  even elders can be part of the new jw lite brigade these days.

  they don’t need to go on door to door anymore and there is no requirement for anything really.. taking meeting parts is all dead easy you could turn up on the day with zero preparation because it’s all in the meeting workbook.. quarterly elders meetings are just old men having a good old natter just like old men do down the pub.. congregations could be likened to pubs or bars these days just without the drinks, those come at other times.. no need for territory maps, these almost went away with covid letter writing now they are extremely slow getting finished as those who still go door to door only do ten mins.. you could even voice your questions these days about things the gb say and then just say “we can’t be dogmatic we just don’t know”.

  i predict they will say this about 1914 soon..

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  DesirousOfChange

  Then the other talks with new lite about last minute repentance, this was the ground breaking new lite that means nothing else matters anymore. You don’t have to stay physically in you could wait and see if the GB were right after all. The only ones who know about this new lite are those who were at the AGM or naughty apostates who watched the leaked footage.

  PIMOs should be on guard!! The fact that they KNOW of this New Lite would be incriminating if they mention it to the wrong person!
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  Will the GB Eventually "observe" Tithing?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  2. friends

  found this on fb from the recent losch talk.

  time for a new business model?.

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  We know of a family where all are now POMO, but as they were awakening to TTATT they first stopped reporting time. After the first couple of months, no more calls. Then they stopped attending meetings. Nothing. Then they ceased their monthly donation via the website. Calls started immediately. IS ANYTHING WRONG???????

  That clinched it. They were outta there!

  I cannot see them doing an "official" tithe, as the Mormons do. (And the Mormons check to confirm.) But, they have already instituted a "suggested" donation on a per publisher basis. That started long ago at Assembly Halls. If the assembly donations came up short of the "suggested" amount, the COBEs were informed and the Cong was to "donate" the balance due on a per head basis.

  Now, it appears this average monthly "donation" per person has been implemented on each Cong. They hope that will be the MINIMUM donation for each Cong member (publisher?). Many will give more out of guilt or to show off. Now they will have a fixed contribution amount on which they can depend hitting their bank account every month.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  DesirousOfChange

  The top brass at WTS has to be LMAO when seeing the turmoil/contention in the "apostate" community. ("Obviously™, such ones have lost Jeehover's Spirit.")